Thread: Cycle for a 52 yr old guy?

Originally Posted by guybb3

Thank you Sassy. So, another dumb question, why not just use Deca and suffer less injections?

More water than NPP.

Also, takes a lot longer to FULLY kick in.

Nandrolone decanoate will take longer to kick in than NPP - unless you frontload.

Originally Posted by Built

150mg/week puts hubby above the high end of normal for a young man. The published literature shows 125mg/week dosed long-term once a week puts a man in the upper third of the range when tested one week after the last shot.

200mg Cyp weekly put me at 686ng/dl a few weeks ago. The draw was 7 days after my inject.

Originally Posted by sassy69

Friend of mine - looking for something that is muscle building but not water retentive. He's got HRT script for Test. Also looking at EQ? Has a bag full of anadrol but wants to give his liver a break.

He's leaning towards just Test + EQ. Any other thoughts?

Testosterone and an AI is what I would run.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

200mg Cyp weekly put me at 686ng/dl a few weeks ago. The draw was 7 days after my inject.

I know, I saw that. This is considerably higher than it should be for most individuals, based on the published research you and I both read. 125mg per week puts most men at that level when pinned once a week and drawn at the nadir. My suspicion is that the halflife is shorter in your body than in most - which would not surprise me to see in trained, muscular individuals such as yourself. What I would like to see is your daily level over this period. I'd be willing to bet money I'm at least partly right.

Originally Posted by guybb3

Thank you Sassy. So, another dumb question, why not just use Deca and suffer less injections?

Deca is notorious for moonface so the water thing is a big reason to go w/ Nandrolone. I don't know how the joint pain easing compares, tho nandrolone will still have that effect.

Sassy, by "nandrolone", do you mean nandrolone phenylpropionate (AKA NPP, AKA Durabolin)? If so, then yes, it's good for various aches and pains - just like the longer-acting nandrolone decanoate (AKA Deca Durabolin).

Originally Posted by sassy69

Deca is notorious for moonface so the water thing is a big reason to go w/ Nandrolone. I don't know how the joint pain easing compares, tho nandrolone will still have that effect.

Sorry to be dense, but what does "moonface" refer to?

Water retention in the facial area. Can be dealt with w/ an A/I.

Originally Posted by Built

Sassy, by "nandrolone", do you mean nandrolone phenylpropionate (AKA NPP, AKA Durabolin)? If so, then yes, it's good for various aches and pains - just like the longer-acting nandrolone decanoate (AKA Deca Durabolin).

This is a great example of how helpful this forum can be, and why I love it. Until I read this, I though Deca and Nandrolone were synonymous -- and I've been using Nandrolone for seven months, HRT scripts.

Originally Posted by Built

Sassy, by "nandrolone", do you mean nandrolone phenylpropionate (AKA NPP, AKA Durabolin)? If so, then yes, it's good for various aches and pains - just like the longer-acting nandrolone decanoate (AKA Deca Durabolin).

Given that I referenced Nandrolone Phenyl Propionate and "NPP" and "Nandrolone" I assumed the context was clear, vs Deca (nandrolone decaonate) which I have only refered to as Deca. But yes this is correct.

Subbed. I'm on a 500mg weekly cycle of Test E and 200mg of Deca (no TRT). I have not suffered "moonface" yet. Interesting thread.

51 yo
235 lbs
lifting for 25 years.

Originally Posted by TooOld

Subbed. I'm on a 500mg weekly cycle of Test E and 200mg of Deca (no TRT). I have not suffered "moonface" yet. Interesting thread.

51 yo
235 lbs
lifting for 25 years.

TooOld you might be interested in an article pasted in a threat I just started, "A Disturbing Article about Nandrolone." I hope to hell it's all bullshit, or guys like us need to re-think the risks of HRT.

Originally Posted by sassy69

Given that I referenced Nandrolone Phenyl Propionate and "NPP" and "Nandrolone" I assumed the context was clear, vs Deca (nandrolone decaonate) which I have only referred to as Deca. But yes this is correct.

Originally Posted by 2tomlinson

This is a great example of how helpful this forum can be, and why I love it. Until I read this, I though Deca and Nandrolone were synonymous -- and I've been using Nandrolone for seven months, HRT scripts.

There appears to be a great deal of confusion with regard to the most common formulations of nandrolone. Organon (now part of Schering-Plough) developed two such formulations - Durabolin, and Deca-Durabolin. As I mentioned earlier, Durabolin is the trademarked name for their nandrolone phenylpropionate, which has a half-life variously listed at one, two or three days, and Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - the better-known of the two has a half-life variously listed at between 7 and 14 days. A side note to this would be a discussion of factors which affect ester-half-life metabolism, but for now, suffice it to say that within a range, it varies.

Deca-Durabolin became known simply as "Deca", presumably because "Durabolin" referred to nandrolone phenylpropionate (NPP). Over time, NPP lost popularity to the longer-acting nandrolone decanoate that required fewer injections. NPP then became known as "fast-acting deca" - even though "deca" meant only the ester, not the active.

There. Confused?