Thread: PCT Help

are you fukkin with me or do you really need advice?

Your cycle is all fukk'd up bro. i am gonna keep it short and sweet 4 u.
1. you should have been running hcg the whole time with your cycle.
2. 24 weeks on cycle is a very very long time...are you trying to destroy your system?
3. i think var should have been ran in the beginning of your cycle and 10 weeks of var is a bit much.
4. nolva is not the best choice for pct, and no you can not run var with your pct.

I think you are trolling because I cannot find one good thing you did right in this cycle...are you fukk'n with me?

You are a funny man. All i need is advice not opinions. Remember i didnt ask you personally so why the fck do you think im fckng with you, relax "bro". You are damn right that was a long cycle, but i am new to anavar and you are wrong about taking it at the beginning. It started out as a bulking cycle followed by a cutting cycle. I am not new here.

Outside of all that BS you wrote you do make sense and I appreciate the advice and thanks for the response.

All other advice is welcome.

Originally Posted by acarnicella

Hi All. I am new to the forum thing and have never posted a thread so please bear with me on this one.

I am just wrapping up a long 20 week test enan 750mg ew/eq 750mg ew cycle followed by 4 more weeks of Prop 300 ew/anavar 60mg ed. My question is about the PCT. I would like to continue with the var for 6 more weeks. Being that there will be no test production chemically or naturally is this advisable??

As far a PCT I have HCG/Nolva ready to go but im not quite sure when to start. I know to start 3 days after your last prop shot but shoud I wait till the var cycle is finished. Also can I take Var during PCT at full or low doses.

All help is appreciated.

You don't say where in your wrapping up process you are so I'm going to assume some things. So keep this in mind.
I'm assuming you will end the test E and Eq at week 16. Then use the prop at 150mg eod for the next four weeks while the E and EQ clear.
Run the var from weeks 15-20.
You should have been running the hcg DURING your cycle, but pct I would use it like this, the day after my last shot of prop I would do 1000iu ed ofr 10 days. During this time run your ai, somthing like adex .25 eod or .5 e3d.
Start the nolva the second day after your last prop shot and run it through week 25 at 20/20/20/10/10.
I hope this is helpful.
Just wanted to add run your ai during pct also as there will still be some test aromatizing for a couple of weeks. Just taper dose down.
And no I would not run var pct. It will shut you back down which will not be productive to your 20 week cycle.

You got it right, those are the numbers. I am letting the E and EQ clear the system. You are right about the prop as well. Next cycle I will run HCG during.

Thank you for the advice, I will use it. Much appraciated.

Originally Posted by bufbiker

You don't say where in your wrapping up process you are so I'm going to assume some things. So keep this in mind.
I'm assuming you will end the test E and Eq at week 16. Then use the prop at 150mg eod for the next four weeks while the E and EQ clear.
Run the var from weeks 15-20.
You should have been running the hcg DURING your cycle, but pct I would use it like this, the day after my last shot of prop I would do 1000iu ed ofr 10 days. During this time run your ai, somthing like adex .25 eod or .5 e3d.
Start the nolva the second day after your last prop shot and run it through week 25 at 20/20/20/10/10.
I hope this is helpful.
Just wanted to add run your ai during pct also as there will still be some test aromatizing for a couple of weeks. Just taper dose down.
And no I would not run var pct. It will shut you back down which will not be productive to your 20 week cycle.

Good post buf.

Originally Posted by bufbiker

You don't say where in your wrapping up process you are so I'm going to assume some things. So keep this in mind.
I'm assuming you will end the test E and Eq at week 16. Then use the prop at 150mg eod for the next four weeks while the E and EQ clear.
Run the var from weeks 15-20.
You should have been running the hcg DURING your cycle, but pct I would use it like this, the day after my last shot of prop I would do 1000iu ed ofr 10 days. During this time run your ai, somthing like adex .25 eod or .5 e3d.
Start the nolva the second day after your last prop shot and run it through week 25 at 20/20/20/10/10.
I hope this is helpful.
Just wanted to add run your ai during pct also as there will still be some test aromatizing for a couple of weeks. Just taper dose down.
And no I would not run var pct. It will shut you back down which will not be productive to your 20 week cycle.

I like this solution, but if you can I would get some clomid and replace the Nolva. Clomid works much better, and after such a long cycle, you need the best possible PCT to hold onto your gains. Good luck

Originally Posted by acarnicella

You are a funny man. All i need is advice not opinions. Remember i didnt ask you personally so why the fck do you think im fckng with you, relax "bro". You are damn right that was a long cycle, but i am new to anavar and you are wrong about taking it at the beginning. It started out as a bulking cycle followed by a cutting cycle. I am not new here.

Outside of all that BS you wrote you do make sense and I appreciate the advice and thanks for the response.

All other advice is welcome.

Advice is opinion. I felt as if you were fukk'n with me because there was not one thing done right in your cycle. I thought ashton kutcher was going to jump through my front window and say...you've been punk'd. So with that said, here is my advice and my opinion, Do a solid month of research before your next cycle, cuz you are clueless. Now do not take that personal..just call it tough love! (^_^)

Originally Posted by Tyler3295

Good post buf.

Hey brother. I see you gave me some rep ponts, whatever that is. Can't pm yet, too low on the post count. I see some of the locals aren't too friendly so I thought I'd inject a little love around here. Good to see you bro.

Don't listen to pyes he's a downer who wears a life preserver in the bathtub. GYCH!!

Originally Posted by pyes

are you fukkin with me or do you really need advice?

Your cycle is all fukk'd up bro. i am gonna keep it short and sweet 4 u.
1. you should have been running hcg the whole time with your cycle.
2. 24 weeks on cycle is a very very long time...are you trying to destroy your system?
3. i think var should have been ran in the beginning of your cycle and 10 weeks of var is a bit much.
4. nolva is not the best choice for pct, and no you can not run var with your pct.

I think you are trolling because I cannot find one good thing you did right in this cycle...are you fukk'n with me?

FUKKIN LOL

Thanks, like I said I dont do the forum thing and when I decide to give it a shot I get a responses like that and make it look bad.

Originally Posted by bufbiker

Hey brother. I see you gave me some rep ponts, whatever that is. Can't pm yet, too low on the post count. I see some of the locals aren't too friendly so I thought I'd inject a little love around here. Good to see you bro.

Yeah, rep points are something this forum does.

Lol, some people around here can be a bit cranky, but it's still another good place to learn. Or teach. Lol.

Same to you though. Keep making those great posts like you do over there!!

Lets change the subject. Has anyone heard of using DHEA with your PCT?

DHEA is useless for PCT recovery, IMHO.

While DHEA is the 1st step in androgen synthesis, the problem is that it can convert into estrogen. If I'm not mistaken, in some studies it converted to estrogen more readily then testosterone

Just stick with Clomid, Nolva, and/or Fareston. (Aromasin is good AI to go along with your PCT SERMs..)

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(Speaking of that, I had a friend who got a small gyno lump from a "natural" test booster than contained DHEA, lol. )

Originally Posted by Tyler3295

DHEA is useless for PCT recovery, IMHO.

While DHEA is the 1st step in androgen synthesis, the problem is that it can convert into estrogen. If I'm not mistaken, in some studies it converted to estrogen more readily then testosterone

Just stick with Clomid, Nolva, and/or Fareston. (Aromasin is good AI to go along with your PCT SERMs..)

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(Speaking of that, I had a friend who got a small gyno lump from a "natural" test booster than contained DHEA, lol. )

Thank you Tyler. I am having a difficult time finiding any type of AI. I am using Nolva for now.

You mean to tell me that you can find AAS, but no AI? Lol.

As far as using Nolva for an AI, don't. FIND an AI. It's not that hard.

Like really.. Look around.

We have a board sponsor who sells AIs for your little lab rats.

Originally Posted by Tyler3295

You mean to tell me that you can find AAS, but no AI? Lol.

As far as using Nolva for an AI, don't. FIND an AI. It's not that hard.

Like really.. Look around.

We have a board sponsor who sells AIs for your little lab rats.

Ya, Ive put in a few requests and waiting for a response. Ill keep looking and keep you posted. Are there any OTC that can come close.

Originally Posted by acarnicella

Ya, Ive put in a few requests and waiting for a response. Ill keep looking and keep you posted. Are there any OTC that can come close.

Nope. Nothing OTC can compare.

Originally Posted by Tyler3295

Nope. Nothing OTC can compare.

DHEA is useless in teh first place unless you are over 40. HMMM> Maybe I should get some. Actually I have tried it. And it had a bit of an effect for me, but nothing compared to the sides.
As far as finding an ai start clicking on sponsor banners and see where they lead you. At least they are not illegal to possess unlike juice.
Never, never, never try to run a cycle without an ai. Nolvadex is a serm Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator or soehitng like that. An ai is an aromataze inhibitor, they are different critters.
I would not run a cycle until I had everything on hand, meaning ALL the gear I need ofr the complete cycle, all of my ai needs, arimidex, aromasin, letrozole (if gyno prone), Dostinex if running tren or deca Then pct needs like nolvadex, clomid etc.
That is the smart way to run a cycle. But over the counter stuff will give you over the counter rsults. You wouldn't buy a plastic gun with a ral firing pin then shoot real bullets in it wold you? NO. It's potentially dangerous. The same idea with anabolics
Listen, your ai use and your pct will determine the effectiveness of your cycle. It can make you or break you as far as gains and keeping them.

Originally Posted by bufbiker

DHEA is useless in teh first place unless you are over 40. HMMM> Maybe I should get some. Actually I have tried it. And it had a bit of an effect for me, but nothing compared to the sides.
As far as finding an ai start clicking on sponsor banners and see where they lead you. At least they are not illegal to possess unlike juice.
Never, never, never try to run a cycle without an ai. Nolvadex is a serm Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator or soehitng like that. An ai is an aromataze inhibitor, they are different critters.
I would not run a cycle until I had everything on hand, meaning ALL the gear I need ofr the complete cycle, all of my ai needs, arimidex, aromasin, letrozole (if gyno prone), Dostinex if running tren or deca Then pct needs like nolvadex, clomid etc.
That is the smart way to run a cycle. But over the counter stuff will give you over the counter rsults. You wouldn't buy a plastic gun with a ral firing pin then shoot real bullets in it wold you? NO. It's potentially dangerous. The same idea with anabolics
Listen, your ai use and your pct will determine the effectiveness of your cycle. It can make you or break you as far as gains and keeping them.

Nice post-I'd rep you if I hadn't repped you for an earlier post today.

Originally Posted by bufbiker

DHEA is useless in teh first place unless you are over 40. HMMM> Maybe I should get some. Actually I have tried it. And it had a bit of an effect for me, but nothing compared to the sides.
As far as finding an ai start clicking on sponsor banners and see where they lead you. At least they are not illegal to possess unlike juice.
Never, never, never try to run a cycle without an ai. Nolvadex is a serm Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator or soehitng like that. An ai is an aromataze inhibitor, they are different critters.
I would not run a cycle until I had everything on hand, meaning ALL the gear I need ofr the complete cycle, all of my ai needs, arimidex, aromasin, letrozole (if gyno prone), Dostinex if running tren or deca Then pct needs like nolvadex, clomid etc.
That is the smart way to run a cycle. But over the counter stuff will give you over the counter rsults. You wouldn't buy a plastic gun with a ral firing pin then shoot real bullets in it wold you? NO. It's potentially dangerous. The same idea with anabolics
Listen, your ai use and your pct will determine the effectiveness of your cycle. It can make you or break you as far as gains and keeping them.

Great advice, thanks buf. However I am 40 years old, so does that make DHEA useful for me??

Look for an A/I-not hard to find. Aromasin is the best, but Adex will work, too. Only difference is adex has a bit of estrogen rebound, and is cheaper. Clomid for PCT. HCG throughout cycle, until the ester clears. You can take the A/I from day one until the end of PCT.

Originally Posted by MDR

Look for an A/I-not hard to find. Aromasin is the best, but Adex will work, too. Only difference is adex has a bit of estrogen rebound, and is cheaper. Clomid for PCT. HCG throughout cycle, until the ester clears. You can take the A/I from day one until the end of PCT.

Yep.

I like to run adex ON cycle and aromasin on PCT and a few weeks after.

HCG throughout cycle @ 250iu 2x/wk will be good.

..and personally I like both nolva AND clomid for PCT.

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(Not stealing your post, just elaborating with my opinions! )

Originally Posted by Tyler3295

Yep.

I like to run adex ON cycle and aromasin on PCT and a few weeks after.

HCG throughout cycle @ 250iu 2x/wk will be good.

..and personally I like both nolva AND clomid for PCT.

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(Not stealing your post, just elaborating with my opinions! )

No harm done, all advice is welcome. Just when you thought you knew it all, such as myself, you learn more.

Originally Posted by Tyler3295

Yep.

I like to run adex ON cycle and aromasin on PCT and a few weeks after.

HCG throughout cycle @ 250iu 2x/wk will be good.

..and personally I like both nolva AND clomid for PCT.

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(Not stealing your post, just elaborating with my opinions! )

No worries brother, never hurts to have a second (informed) opinion. I admit, I have no problems with gyno at all, so nolva is of no use to me. Even if I did, I would not look to Nolva. Some suggest running HCG even higher than the typical 500wk.

Where in SO CAl are you??

Originally Posted by acarnicella

Where in SO CAl are you??

If he wanted people to publicly know he probably would have it there.

Originally Posted by MDR

No worries brother, never hurts to have a second (informed) opinion. I admit, I have no problems with gyno at all, so nolva is of no use to me. Even if I did, I would not look to Nolva. Some suggest running HCG even higher than the typical 500wk.

Yeah. Lucky you. I'm pretty gyno prone.

Have to run a higher dose AI than most. If I do run HCG any higher than that, a small dose of Nolva is a must on cycle. That's why I stick to 250iu 2x/wk and it does good for me.

As you said though, I have seen people run more (and less), both with success.

Originally Posted by acarnicella

Great advice, thanks buf. However I am 40 years old, so does that make DHEA useful for me??

No! It will enlarge your prostate anad do some other really nasty things to you, with little benefit in return.