Reply With Quoteare you wanting to know how much you would make per week now? compared to using 500mg of testosterone?
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09-07-2010, 06:46 PM #1Member BOARD REP
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Natty test to Artificial test conversion
I was wondering what the conversion of natty test to artificial. If one to use 500mg weekly of cyp how many times the natty is that? Is there a conversion method? I have read around but it varies by poster. Some say 10x some say 5x some say 2x. I know its more that 2x but just trying to see if there is an accurate way to convert. Thanks ahead!
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I guess that would answer some of my questions.
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The published literature (see table 2) shows the nadir (lowest) value from a weekly shot of 600mg test cyp to be 2370 ng/dl, from a baseline of 632ng/dl, after 16 weeks.
But that's the nadir. The average is more interesting - and more stable if pinned twice a week.
According to my calculations (which are interpolated, and calibrated against the published research to a halflife of between 5 and 6 days for cypionate), once-weekly pinning of 500mg per week should produce the following blood levels:
High: 4161 ng/dL (144 nmol/L)
Average: 2955 ng/dL (103 nmol/L)
Nadir: 1978 ng/dL (69 nmol/L)
Compare with pinning twice weekly:
High: 3515 ng/dL (122 nmol/L)
Average: 2957 ng/dL (103 nmol/L)
Nadir: 2423 ng/dL (84 nmol/L)
Note - the average is the same, but the level is far more stable. More stable = better gains with fewer sides.
500mg of cyp should, in theory, thus translate to around 3000 ng/dL, or roughly 100 nmol/L ON AVERAGE. (28.8 x nmol/L converts to ng/dL)
The lab range listed on the LifeLabs website suggests normal male total testosterone is 10-30 nmol/L (this translates to 288-864 ng/dL, which is low by comparison to the ranges listed by HRT clinics but is nonetheless normal physiologic levels)
http://www.lifelabs.com/files/BC/Ref...brl_ranges.pdf
So your 500mg weekly gives you roughly the testosterone of three high-normal men. Ish.
Does this help?Last edited by Built; 09-07-2010 at 08:34 PM. Reason: fixed link to reference ranges online pdf
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+1 thanks for a precise answer.
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the normal range of test for men can range from 350 ng/dl to 1500ng/dl (1 mg of test = 1 million ng)
Originally Posted by BigBoiH
3.5 mg to 15 mg I believe would be the normal range of test production in mgI train differently than most, my beef is with gravity the weights on the bar are just the medium...Thanks to Wall Street your slice of the American Pie has been reduced to a crumb.
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Please do not take my models to be the truth - I present them for what they are: estimates. At the moment, I have no way to test them properly - which is why I accompany them with the research upon which they were based. Originally Posted by BigBoiH
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this was early morning math and is not accurate, sorry... Originally Posted by LAM
the conversion from normal test levels in nanograms to milligrams would be:
0.00035mg to 0.0015mg
blood concentration levels of say test enanthate taken at 250mg 2x a week for 8 wks would result in an average daily blood level of about 63mg. this would be total and not free TI train differently than most, my beef is with gravity the weights on the bar are just the medium...Thanks to Wall Street your slice of the American Pie has been reduced to a crumb.
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