Thread: opinions wanted please. Starting in the morning

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Do you think all looks well and by that low dose of letro in the end should suffice? Also I will add a d-bol kicker up front for two weeks to get a fast jump then discontinue because I dont want to get some bloat. Even though the adex should keep that in check. Also the last four weeks I will toss in some halotestin to really jack up the strength.

I would have thought by now I would have had more responses than just from my good pal SD who by the way has been very helpful. A bunch of you should know me by now I'm not a newbie or the new kid on the block. I guess if you all need stats to give advice here they are. 54 years old, 206lbs. Approx 10% BF, been training most of my adult life. Cycle experience many over the past 25 years most compounds out there have been included at one time or another. Training minimum3x per week with generally a forth doing touch up work such as calves, traps, forarms, ab's, cardio. Goal on this cycle is to add strength and size. Lifetime goal has always to be fit, healthy and keep a good physique for my age. Diet is always good although now I will up my calories immensly. Protein drinks daily and have for years and all supplements are in order.That should give you the run down. This cycle should bring me up around 225 and strong as a bull.

Those blends are going to leave your blood levels unstable at best. Hormone flucuation is going to happen with that blend. The prop will be wasted.

Personally, (and this is only my opinion) use a different product. Blends are terrible as you can't control the different compounds in them by starting one or stopping another.

You're going to run it anyhow so I guess what does it really matter as to what I say?

Good luck.

hey bro are you very prone to gyno? cause you may not need Adex or you can take half pill every other day to prevent or just use adex when you feel symptoms.

also id save nolva for pct. but it can be used to prevent gyno the only thing is nolvadex wont push estrogen out of the receptor once its in unlike armidex. nolvadex you need to take before the gyno sets in bc it will occupy the receptor so that estrogen cant attach.

Yes I am prone to gyno but I'm not going to take nolva I just stated I have it on hand just in case. My plan is to use adex at .05 mg EOD and I only have enough for 12.6 weeks thats when I was thinking of the letro at 0.625 mg EOD while the esters clear and into PCT. But the PCT will be clomid at 100mgs the first week and then 50mgs per day for the next three weeks.

For what it's worth, you should have solicited this advice weeks, months ago. Asking for this advice the day before you begin will be worth much less than it would have been in the true planning phase.

Just a thought...

Your opinion does matter to me and I read all I can and listen to others who may have more experience in some areas than I do. I understand the prop in the blend has a half life of about one day thats why I included the TPP which has a half life of 3.5 days. I thought this would level things out for the first few weeks while the tren and the E start working. Then I will stop the TPP and include test enathate for the remainder of the program. I would agree completly that with that blend the prop would be wasted IF I didnt include the TPP which as you know is inbetween prop and cyp as far as half lifes.

Originally Posted by Roaddkingg

Yes I am prone to gyno but I'm not going to take nolva I just stated I have it on hand just in case. My plan is to use adex at .05 mg EOD and I only have enough for 12.6 weeks thats when I was thinking of the letro at 0.625 mg EOD while the esters clear and into PCT. But the PCT will be clomid at 100mgs the first week and then 50mgs per day for the next three weeks.

I think you mean .5mg EOD of adex....05 won't get you too far, lol. I doubt you will need the letro, clomid alone should be more than sufficient.

CT is right....anything blended makes things harder to calculate and you usually end up loosing some gear in the process.


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Yea I meant .5mgs adex. The problem is this. I have enough adex for 12.6 weeks. The cycle is 12 weeks so there will be a lag period while esters are clearing this and PCT is where I thought I'd start the low dose letro at0.625 one quarter tablet from where the adex runs out and up until the end of PCT. But yes the PCT will consist of clomid. Whats your opinion on this bro? Thanks for jumping in Vic I was hoping you would.

Originally Posted by Roaddkingg

Yea I meant .5mgs adex. The problem is this. I have enough adex for 12.6 weeks. The cycle is 12 weeks so there will be a lag period while esters are clearing this and PCT is where I thought I'd start the low dose letro at0.625 one quarter tablet from where the adex runs out and up until the end of PCT. But yes the PCT will consist of clomid. Whats your opinion on this bro? Thanks for jumping in Vic I was hoping you would.

I'd still hold off on the letro. If I was in your shoes and couldn't get any more adex, I would probably stretch the tail end of the adex to .5mg E3D, buying you some more time. Oh, and we do have some sponsors here (Cem for example) that can get you what you need. In the future bro, get everything you need + extra before you begin your cycle....this way you will be able to avoid a problem like this in the future. Oh, I'd also up your vitamin C dose as well. Good luck.


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Originally Posted by victorz06

i'd still hold off on the letro. If i was in your shoes and couldn't get any more adex, i would probably stretch the tail end of the adex to .5mg e3d, buying you some more time. Oh, and we do have some sponsors here (cem for example) that can get you what you need. In the future bro, get everything you need + extra before you begin your cycle....this way you will be able to avoid a problem like this in the future. Oh, i'd also up your vitamin c dose as well. Good luck.


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Thanks for your input fella's. I do have everything on hand and was fully prepared with everything except as I said I have enough adex for 12.6 weeks. That only leaves me short a few pills and I can pick up adex easily. Which as I stated originally was the main reason for asking for opinions about the small dose letro. From what I have been told from some of my buddies and from reading small dose letro in the end can help to harden and give a more finished look. But if it's the opinion of the consensus to get more adex that can be done soon. I'm only taking the second pin tomarrow. I will say this that prop in the mix along with the TPP made my quad hurt a fair amount up until this morning so that makes it like two days of being pretty sore. I do appreciate all the opinions and input as I see that some dont especially like blends. Which is interesting to me because some really rave about blends. I guess it comes down to what has worked well for some in the past and their experiences. To be honest this is my first time with this type of blend as I have mostly stayed with long esters prior.

I'm 46 yrs old and sounds like we have a very similar background and goals. What's funny is it's been over 7yrs since I've done a cycle and it was usually Deca 300mg week and Test @ 1,000-2,000mg week. I also tried Winstrol and a couple other basic things. Only very recently did I start looking back into getting back on the gear and I noticed these blends also. I'm very interested in success rates of the ones like XTR5hundred that Genx offers. The Tren Enan/Test Enan/Test Prop combos and Test/Deca blends. Seems like if Sustanon is so popular, then why not one of these type blends?

Good point. Many feel it's hard to control plasma levels with blends and I would agree on some of those points. But in my case that exactly why I added the TPP(testosterone phenylpropionate) for the first four weeks. So that hopefully the small amount of prop in the blend wont be wasted but combined with the TPP since it's half life is inbetween prop and cypionate. After the four weeks that can be discontinued and the tren E and the test E will have fully kicked in. I could make changes and stay with the TPP but I'm going to see how things go for the first four weeks.

Keep us posted!

Hey bro, nothing to add as far as knowledge, as I am a newbie, but just wanted to wish you luck, and to add keep us posted! I will be following your progress!

First pin was monday with 1/2 cc of genxxl xtr500 and 1 cc of TPP. 350 mgs total. I heated up the oil after it was ready to go with my hair drier. Quad injection left side. Oil was very thin and it was real smooth no pain what so ever at that time. But the following day and the day after I had some soreness. Most likely due to the prop in the blend. Today(wed) my leg is fine so tomarrow will be my second pin other leg. .5 adex also on day one and I will be doing that EOD. Pin schedule is mon-thurs for a total of 700mgs wkly. For the first two weeks I will be taking just two methanabol(d-bol) one in the a.m and another around 4:30. I know this must sound like chicken shit to some of you but I'm telling you this metanabol is the strongest shit d-bol wise I have ever had. Plus the only purpose of it anyway is to hasten things up from the start. Last time I did a cycle I did three of those puppies and my right nipple had a bit of a flare up from prepuesent gyno so this time I'm taking it real light on that shit. Workouts are going great and I know it's only been a few days but I'm stronger already. I will get into more detail as time goes on with workouts etc. Plus if anyone has any questions just ask. It's thanks to double wide and genxxl that most of this is possible and a few of my good friends and you know who you are.

If I can make one suggestion.... EAT! Then, EAT! Then when you're done with that, EAT!

Biggest mistake I have seen people make is sticking with their pre-cycle diet. Jack up the calories; now is no time to cut.

Good luck buddy.

I'm doing my best in the eating department. I know my diet needs some improvement but I do eat pretty clean. I'm shooting for four meals a day with two protein drinks thrown in there. I havent got my calories all figured out yet but I can say this even when I'm not hungry I try to eat. Sardines, oatmeal, rice, vegetables, pasta are among some of my snacks. I understand how important this is but it is hard to eat so much. I will just have to force myself at times. Plus being a single guy(again) it's hard to keep all the food in the house not to mention how expensive it can get. I'm working on this.

Well today being thursday it was the second pin same procedure. 1/2 cc xtr500 and 1cc TPP 350mgs total. Heated the oil as usual with the hair drier and it was real smooth and easy. No pain what so ever, so far. We shall see if it happens later tonight or tomarrow like last time. Today was legs, back and biceps with tons of ab work. I know I'm getting stronger already but because the gym is tore up due to re modeling I cant get to weight myself naked after my workout like I ussually do. I started at 205 and I feel a lot harder, fuller, pumped and bigger already. It will be interesting to get myself weighed here real soon. I'm beginning to look more vascular and my traps and three heads of my delts are coming out nicely. As I stated it doesnt take hardly any d-bol for me to get results so most likely thats whats making my traps come out. Some guys take a lot of d-bol but I'm telling you that jelfa metanabol is some kick ass stuff and it doesnt take much. But as far as the injects go I imagine the TPP is starting to kick and maybe by next week we can start seeing some results from the tren E and the test E aswell. All in all things are going great for it being so early. We shall see and I will keep updating.

Keep working hard bro, maybe i can get you hooked up with some adex from genxxlgear.com let me pull some strings!!

Keep eating and training hard bro i look forward to seeing the results

You'r the greatest and I certainly do appreciate it. That way I will have my options and all basis covered. I messaged you. Todays workout was real good but tomarrow and the next day I have a ton of work to do at the health club with a pool cover and all kinds of crap that will take all day both days. So I will hit it again hard sunday. I will be posting all the time with more details on supplements and training.

Shall be watching my friend and glad to see you got the go ahead to start this thread.

looks good, just like DU said if u cant eat it , blend it then eat it. try for 6-7 meals. i blend 3 meals ed and eat 4 so the last one is yogurt at 3am i set my clock. try keeping a continious flow of quality food going every 2-3 hrs. but ill keep watching your progress road. good luck brother.

I recommend cottage cheese before bed also. Slowly trickles protein into your system all night.

Originally Posted by Del1964

I recommend cottage cheese before bed also. Slowly trickles protein into your system all night.

+1. Can't beat a big scoop of cottage cheese dumped into a big scoop of flavored yogurt, all mixed up. Great just before bed.

given that a try for sure.