Thread: Planning another cycle - opinions ?

Seems reasonable. I do not know much about masteron except that it is better at fighting breast cancer while combined with nolva, then chemotherapy. So there may be truth in that statement from your friend. Maybe someone with more experience can help on the masteron. Good luck and looks good.

Originally Posted by Testonut

Does this seem like a reasonable cycle ?

I must admit I haven't done much research on Masteron yet.. A friend of mine told me there was no need to take arimidex during a cycle, if I was on Masteron. Any truth in that ?

Then drop the masteron. I suggest never putting anything in your body until you know what it is and what it does.

i like the cycle but i DEF would do some more research on masteron before you inject it into your body. and yes, you may not need adex while using masteron.
Also, I would bump the dbol up to 40-50mg ED..but thats just me

Masteron can make some people cranky, I wouldn't use it myself.

What compunds can you get?

I guess I can get pretty much every compound I want.


I guess I can also mention that on my former cycles I have only used Sustanon, Winstrol, Deca and some Dbol. I don't think I will ever use Deca again, at least not on it's own, because it affected me a lot emotionally for a time.


I don't plan on doing this cycle NOW, that's why I made this thread, to get some opinions etc.


From what I have researched, the "standard" side effects are being mentioned; Acne, Hair loss (if prone), aggression... The only side that im concerned about is hair loss. But I haven't really lost any hair using either of the compounds mentioned earlier, so maybe im safe?
The good sides; Muscle hardness, can be used as anti-estrogen (no need for Arimidex during cycle).

It also seems that I should stick with a dose of 400mg e/w of the long acting ester version, as this is the minimum recommended dose (from what I've researched).

Fact: I will never now how I react to a compound before I really try one (This why I should use a short acting ester version of the compound.. but I hate pinning myself too frequently )

Upping dbol dose to 40-50mg ED is certainly a possibility. I actually just used 20mg on my sustanon cycle, and I felt it did stuff with me already then. So up the dose some!



It should be noted im not dead set on using masteron, so if you have any other compounds you would recommend me to run with the test, go ahead and say so

Thanks for the advices so far.

Originally Posted by Testonut

I guess I can get pretty much every compound I want.


I guess I can also mention that on my former cycles I have only used Sustanon, Winstrol, Deca and some Dbol. I don't think I will ever use Deca again, at least not on it's own, because it affected me a lot emotionally for a time.


I don't plan on doing this cycle NOW, that's why I made this thread, to get some opinions etc.


From what I have researched, the "standard" side effects are being mentioned; Acne, Hair loss (if prone), aggression... The only side that im concerned about is hair loss. But I haven't really lost any hair using either of the compounds mentioned earlier, so maybe im safe?
The good sides; Muscle hardness, can be used as anti-estrogen (no need for Arimidex during cycle).

It also seems that I should stick with a dose of 400mg e/w of the long acting ester version, as this is the minimum recommended dose (from what I've researched).

Fact: I will never now how I react to a compound before I really try one (This why I should use a short acting ester version of the compound.. but I hate pinning myself too frequently )

Upping dbol dose to 40-50mg ED is certainly a possibility. I actually just used 20mg on my sustanon cycle, and I felt it did stuff with me already then. So up the dose some!



It should be noted im not dead set on using masteron, so if you have any other compounds you would recommend me to run with the test, go ahead and say so

Thanks for the advices so far.

AKA Decadick...ahahahah

Look, if masteron has the positive effects you are looking for in a cycle, try it.

Originally Posted by Testonut

Stats:

- 27 years old, 1.86m, 91kg, ~10% bf.

- Been lifting weights for several years.

Goal:

- To add a couple of kilos muscle and reduce my BF maybe 1-2%

Cycle (10 weeks):

- 500mg test-e or c e/w
- 300-400mg masteron e/w
- 20mg dbol e/d for 4 weeks

- Will inject every tuesday & friday

Ancilleries & PCT:

- 0.5mg arimidex every 2. days during cycle
- 40mg nolvadex for one week, then 20mg for 3 weeks (e/d) (2 weeks after last injection)
- 50mg clomid for 3 weeks (e/d) (2 weeks after last injection)



Does this seem like a reasonable cycle ?

I must admit I haven't done much research on Masteron yet.. A friend of mine told me there was no need to take arimidex during a cycle, if I was on Masteron. Any truth in that ?


Been on test once before, and I liked the "feeling" I had while on it. Walking on clouds, and good gains. I don't think I want to have a cycle longer than 10 weeks, because I seem to get a lot of acne around week 8 and so on..

Other notes:

- I do a lot of cardio
- I eat & train well

Those compounds don't really work together. Can you do it....sure. Is it going to produce the results you're looking for....no.

YOUR DIET IS GOING TO DETERMINE EVERYTHING let me repeat that one more time, YOUR DIET IS GOING TO DETERMINE EVERYTHING.

You're not really going to be able to get bigger and leaner at the same time, it doesn't work that way, pick one bulk or cut (the exception of GH of course).

Make a clear post of what you want to achive and then we can help more. If you want to drop BF then you will want to do a cutting stack once you get to 10% BF and can see your abs. If you want to bulk then it would be totally different from a cut.

You have bulking and cutting compounds in your stack.

Hate to mention it, but have you ever used Tren? Not for beginners, but Tren can give you great strength gains and have a hardening effect. Use a short ester if you haven't used it before, because some people have negative side effects. Do some research and check it out. Personally, I love Deca and Tren (not together). Deca works fine for me so long as my total Test is higher. Deca works well for me when bulking and Tren more when I'm cutting. As CT just said, bulking and cutting is all about diet, and you can bulk or cut on most any drug.

Okey, I know you guys are a lot more knowledgable than me when it comes to this game.

But you are saying that I cannot get leaner AND bigger at the same time.


First time I used sustanon I did exactly that. After PCT and stuff, I was 2kilos heavier, AND more cut.

Then I tried deca & Winny, and I got maybe a bit more lean, AND heavier (2-3 kilos), after PCT. Strength has barely decreased also.

It should be noted I have never used any instrument to measure my fat %, but I don't exactly have to be a rocket scientist to see that I look more cut, since I have veins I have never seen before in my life, on my arms, chest, etc. I just look better overall. And yes, I do have visible abs now. So I assume my fat % is around 10 or something - maybe a bit higher.

Are you saying that I have actually bulked (or stayed at the ~same fat %), and that it's actually just muscles that make me look more cut ? (Not trying to be an ass.. but I just feel that getting a tad bigger AND getting cut at the same time is possible, with steroids).

I see your point though, test-E = nono, but test-P with masteron would be a YESYES, as long as diet & bf was in order. Bulk or cut = food.




I have looked into Tren, a lot, actually. It is one of the steroids I really wanna give a shot. But then im looking into another problem; I should take short ester version, thus pinning myself way too much again.. Maybe I should just need to bitchslap myself and just jump into it.

Originally Posted by Testonut

Okey, I know you guys are a lot more knowledgable than me when it comes to this game.

But you are saying that I cannot get leaner AND bigger at the same time.


First time I used sustanon I did exactly that. After PCT and stuff, I was 2kilos heavier, AND more cut.

Then I tried deca & Winny, and I got maybe a bit more lean, AND heavier (2-3 kilos), after PCT. Strength has barely decreased also.

It should be noted I have never used any instrument to measure my fat %, but I don't exactly have to be a rocket scientist to see that I look more cut, since I have veins I have never seen before in my life, on my arms, chest, etc. I just look better overall. And yes, I do have visible abs now. So I assume my fat % is around 10 or something - maybe a bit higher.

Are you saying that I have actually bulked (or stayed at the ~same fat %), and that it's actually just muscles that make me look more cut ? (Not trying to be an ass.. but I just feel that getting a tad bigger AND getting cut at the same time is possible, with steroids).

I see your point though, test-E = nono, but test-P with masteron would be a YESYES, as long as diet & bf was in order. Bulk or cut = food.




I have looked into Tren, a lot, actually. It is one of the steroids I really wanna give a shot. But then im looking into another problem; I should take short ester version, thus pinning myself way too much again.. Maybe I should just need to bitchslap myself and just jump into it.

You probably gained water weight and dropped some BF.

Can it be done, yes but not very effective. If you're going to do it do it right. Bulk or cut? Again, pick one.

You also needed to wait a few weeks after stopping the AAS to measure your true growth. Personally, you're going to do it regardless of what we are saying here so knock yourself out.

Honestly, you're not ready for tren yet.

Good luck Bro.

I've decided to do the following:

Week 1-10 Test-e 500mg e/w
Week 1-10 Tren-e 200mg e/w
Week 1- 4 Dbol at 40mg e/d

Reason for not going over 10 weeks is because I get so "#¤%!"% much acne after week 10++. But I will have something on "hand" in case I decide to do it for 12 weeks anyway. Always more fun being Superman instead of being Clark Kent

And I will BULK.



I might increase the Tren dose a bit if I experience little to none side effects of 200mg e/w. And I don't need some talk about me being a retard for not taking Acetate. But I will gladly admit im a retard if I start having bad side effects of 200mg tren e/w, and for not listening to you guys!

Will probably start in November.

fuck the acne, that is treatable . . if you're going to run gears you might as well run it a decent length.

I would keep the tren 10 weeks, but bump the test out to 12-14 weeks. Even consider running dbol again the last 4 weeks as well.

Just my 0.02

Originally Posted by Marquis du Gears

fuck the acne, that is treatable . . if you're going to run gears you might as well run it a decent length.

I would keep the tren 10 weeks, but bump the test out to 12-14 weeks. Even consider running dbol again the last 4 weeks as well.

Just my 0.02

I just hope im still able to grow some on 200mg tren e/w..

And If I don't bloat much, I will definately consider your advice!

Can't wait

take an AI like Adex or Aromasin and any bloat will be minimised

Tren is not a bulkng steroid.

Originally Posted by Testonut

I've decided to do the following:

Week 1-10 Test-e 500mg e/w
Week 1-10 Tren-e 200mg e/w
Week 1- 4 Dbol at 40mg e/d

Reason for not going over 10 weeks is because I get so "#¤%!"% much acne after week 10++. But I will have something on "hand" in case I decide to do it for 12 weeks anyway. Always more fun being Superman instead of being Clark Kent

And I will BULK.



I might increase the Tren dose a bit if I experience little to none side effects of 200mg e/w. And I don't need some talk about me being a retard for not taking Acetate. But I will gladly admit im a retard if I start having bad side effects of 200mg tren e/w, and for not listening to you guys!

Will probably start in November.