Thread: Question for Vic, Heavy, CT, and others who may have answers.

man i gotta give it up to you for posting this... this just tellls me ur a very honest and helpful person on this forum... for you to not just give the person that asked u this question an off the wall unsure answer, is very respectful.. very much respect to you my brotha!

Is the dermis scarred or the entire muscle...how deep is the scarring? My guess is it would not affect anything.

However, a 25g might get bowed or bent if pushing through tough scarring.

Originally Posted by sar012977

man i gotta give it up to you for posting this... this just tellls me ur a very honest and helpful person on this forum... for you to not just give the person that asked u this question an off the wall unsure answer, is very respectful.. very much respect to you my brotha!

rude boy is a stand up dude

Originally Posted by pyes

Is the dermis scarred or the entire muscle...how deep is the scarring? My guess is it would not affect anything.

Thanks fellas. Pyes I should have mentioned that I had considered the depth as a concern as I was informed he was using 1 1/2 in pins already. But then I thought bout if the tissue scared that badly an unknown % of that muscle would effected which still may effect desperstion.??? The compounds need to get into the blood stream through tissue ,now I even have questions bout even plasma levels. At the moment I think it would be to late to use the "insulin pin" thing.It seems to me that may even be worse in this case.I've been research'n scar tissue studies ,but have'nt come up with anythin solid........HELP !!!

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Originally Posted by Supermans Daddy

I would have PMed you guys but thought bout it for a minute and figured maybe somebody else might wanna know too.
I got a question from a guy that I don't have an answer for. He asked me if someone who had scar tissue , some minor some kinda bad if they were to inject in the that area or close to that area,would that effect the dispersion rate therby effect'n the half-life/active life because of how long the drug would be in your body ?
My thoughts were active-life/half-life would be the same anyway the drug does what it does. But I really don't know bout it be held up because of scar tissue and maybe forced to sit in one place before eventually begin'n to disperse. Any answers?

I wouldn't think it makes a difference. I am just guessing though.

I have seen labs where guys were still under the influence of steroids months after stopping. I think scar tissue and sterile abscesses may be the reason. Most pharmacokinetics are just one single inject in virgin muscle. Since we inject many multiple times with overlapping depots there may be a delay in hormone release.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

I have seen labs where guys were still under the influence of steroids months after stopping. I think scar tissue and sterile abscesses may be the reason. Most pharmacokinetics are just one single inject in virgin muscle. Since we inject many multiple times with overlapping depots there may be a delay in hormone release.

YEAH !!! IRIE ! So there's is really no way of REALLY know'n how much of a compound is still active or or even in you. Which also means plasma levels could possibly take months to stabilize. So then the possible solutions may be

Start tissue repair treatments
Stop injections for an extended peroid
Look into insulin pin injects as an option

Would you say I have a correct understand'n ?

Peace and Love

Originally Posted by Supermans Daddy

YEAH !!! IRIE ! So there's is really no way of REALLY know'n how much of a compound is still active or or even in you. Which also means plasma levels could possibly take months to stabilize. So then the possible solutions may be

Start tissue repair treatments
Stop injections for an extended peroid
Look into insulin pin injects as an option

Would you say I have a correct understand'n ?

Peace and Love

Yup, deep tissue massage and smaller pins.

Or don't go off...

That was awesome..... i always wondered about that pinning in the same place over and over what affects it had on muscle tissue and if it changed the way it was released into my body, this has cleared up some of my thoughts on this! as always this board is a mountain of knowledge.

Scar tissue treatment would be a good start. I'm hoping I don't get any, but most do after a few years of 1-2 cycles a year? Even with rotation I would assume, although I may be wrong.

I love this fvckin guy...

Originally Posted by Buzzard

I love this fvckin guy...

I love you back Homey !


I got another thing that I did discover. Scar tissue is composed of a lot of dead cells,basically a scab under the skin type of thing. That bein the case I'm think'n that possibly another problem that has not been mentioned is in fact the oil could actually wind up not even bein absorbed into tissue if it was damaged enough . So it'd be a waste perhaps to inject by the time it started move'n there's no tell'n how far off your dose'n would be. The possible solution is really a crap shoot. It would seem that you'd need to inject stronger or larger doses to get what you'd normally dose. That would at some point lead to some kinda abcess or oil deposit I gotta think . I now believe that scar tissue damage would most surely effect plan'n or carry'n out an effective protocol. Not that it wouldn't work ,but it be hella hard to control. I've learned a lot today. Thanks for the input ,wisdom and the help. Bless'n's

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Originally Posted by heavyiron

I have seen labs where guys were still under the influence of steroids months after stopping. I think scar tissue and sterile abscesses may be the reason. Most pharmacokinetics are just one single inject in virgin muscle. Since we inject many multiple times with overlapping depots there may be a delay in hormone release.

much my thinking as well.

The depot is designed to partition from pretty much the cell membrane and tissue matrix into the blood. It can also travel to lymph tissue and disperse from there. Any change in the tissue or tissue matrix that leaves the tissue altered in composition has the potential to change the partitioning and dispersion from the depot site.

This is why the use of slin pins are overlooked. MUCH less (if any) scar tissue build up. Unless I was going to use 3ml's at once I would rather use 2 slin pins EVERYTIME.

Good thread SD.

The example I'm think'n of is this

Imagine dig'n a hole in good soil, when fill'n it with water . Within a few minutes the water would be absorbed by the surround'n soil and the entire area becomes dampened. That's like good tissue and compounds.

On the other side imagine dig'n a hole in clay, and fill'n it with water as well. The water would sit there a lot longer and then it would not be evenly absorbed by the surround'n clay.That's like scar tissue

Then there is dig'n a hole in clay surrounded by soil. After awhile the water would start to get through some would be lost in the clay for a while , some lost permanantly but the soil would be attempt'n to pull all the moisture it could get from the clay. You'd really have no way of known how much was gonna get through, how long it would take,or if you should add more because it may suddenly allow some through and you'd have a muddy area as opposed to just dampened. That's inject'n into and area with damaged tissue but not in entirely damaged. .

CT I'ma have examine that slin pin thingy again. I just a lil concerned about the lil bubbles under the skin part. Perhaps you'll be kind enough to explain some choices I have with the slin pin . I'll PM you

I posted a thread bout rehab'n scar tissue with certain oils. Perhaps it may be a good idea to start that before it becomes a problem and avoid this all together.But what the hell would I know! lol

Again, Thank you all


Peace and Love

Ok love the thread SD and have a question for all the people on here, i have been using my glutes for all cycles and now have scar tissue in both, im using a blue top needle, sorry im from the uk here we have green then blue then orange not sure of the guage. Anyway if i wanted to carry on using the glutes what would you suggest i do about the lumps im now getting. Probably a stupid question but hey if you dont ask.....

Originally Posted by martialartsman

Ok love the thread SD and have a question for all the people on here, i have been using my glutes for all cycles and now have scar tissue in both, im using a blue top needle, sorry im from the uk here we have green then blue then orange not sure of the guage. Anyway if i wanted to carry on using the glutes what would you suggest i do about the lumps im now getting. Probably a stupid question but hey if you dont ask.....

Instead of making the problem worse, why not try the slin pin method instead?

Take a 1.5 inch 18g needle and draw up 1 ml of aas. Then take a 1ml insulin pin and pull out the plunger. Inject the aas into the insulin pin, carefully place the plunger back into the barrell of the slin pin. Don't push it all the way in just so much that it stays in. Turn the pin upside down (so the needle is facing the roof) and push out the air bubble at the top of the pin. Inject the AAS into a lean body part (quads seem to work the best). You'll need to push the plunger pretty hard and it may take up to 60 seconds to inject the entire 1ml, but the scar tissue is non existant.

Cheers CT i was hoping you would jump in with this one. SD as always a useful thread buddy.

I'd say it would be over thinking the situation, but mainly - why inject into scar tissue in the first place? Rotate rotate rotate. That said, I guess (posted above) there is evidence of it being an issue i.e. gear release. I've built up scar tissue in the delts before and common sense told me, stop shooting there, so I started adding traps into my rotation. Very dense muscle there, feels weird pinning it.

CT, I like to draw with 20g instead. Shooting with 25g is really not going to do much damage going in, but you can find 27g as well, although pushing through those requires patience (helps also if the gear is WARM and not a high concentration).

Originally Posted by CT

Instead of making the problem worse, why not try the slin pin method instead?

Take a 1.5 inch 18g needle and draw up 1 ml of aas. Then take a 1ml insulin pin and pull out the plunger. Inject the aas into the insulin pin, carefully place the plunger back into the barrell of the slin pin. Don't push it all the way in just so much that it stays in. Turn the pin upside down (so the needle is facing the roof) and push out the air bubble at the top of the pin. Inject the AAS into a lean body part (quads seem to work the best). You'll need to push the plunger pretty hard and it may take up to 60 seconds to inject the entire 1ml, but the scar tissue is non existant.

martialartsman thank you and I'm glad you found it useful. As far as a solution to your problem, FIRST I think CT is on to somethin as far the slin thing as I've been doin some research into that as well and got'n normal mixed reviews however CT's logic is just in your face kinda real so I've come to think it's kinda personal choice type thing and if perhaps you can adjust to that. Sounds easy enough though. HOWEVER on a whole different note that may be the very LEAST of our concerns when you consider the absorbtion rate is bein slowed down which effects dose'n, which effects Plasma levels. It may be better to consider some new inject sites. Perhaps delts, quads maybe just for the sake of control'n things a bit more. I'd also look that tissue repair thread and get that goin on ASAP. CT you are the man.

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