Thread: Looking to Get UnFat w/Super-DMZ

i love the stuff i got two weeks left and doing great . no sides . if i had it to do over. i would def do cardio more just to get it up a notch more

Yeah, I've been wondering about the dosage. I wonder if I should just take two with my morning meal and be done for the day. Or do I have to take them separate? Plus, do I have to only take two?

Nice bathroom reading material in the top left.

Originally Posted by TheGreatSatan

Yeah, I've been wondering about the dosage. I wonder if I should just take two with my morning meal and be done for the day. Or do I have to take them separate? Plus, do I have to only take two?

take super dmz with a fatburner it will make the fat burner work better.I used clen and superdrol a few years ago with good results

I'm using Isatori's MX-LS7. How about my other questions? Anyone?

If you are that out of shape I would suggest getting back on track and getting a solid diet and exercise plan working before jumping on DMZ.

If you post up a more detailed food log you'd probably get a lot more advice as far as your diet goes.

265lbs? You fat Bitch!

^Yes, I am.

Let's see two eggs with mild cheddar and two pieces of bacon for breakfast, then I go to work, protein shake with natty PB and instant coffee mixed in for lunch, back to work, then usually a can of asparagus with pepper for supper. Then I do about an hour on the treadmill followed by a plain protein shake.

Water all day.

Originally Posted by cavtrooper96

If you are that out of shape I would suggest getting back on track and getting a solid diet and exercise plan working before jumping on DMZ.

I agree with this. The DMZ isn't going to get you closer to your goal unless your diet is dialed in.

No more fast food,late nite goodies....good luck,been there its gonna be a journey,keep positive,stay focused on what u want to achieve,u have kids? Think of them and how much better life will be seeing u can get around with them.hope it all works out for ya....

Ps.rep points welcomed.....peace.

Originally Posted by TheGreatSatan

then usually a can of asparagus with pepper for supper.

dude are you serious? as long as you've been around here you should know that a can of asparagus and pepper is not a proper balanced meals with sufficient cals.

I was your size when I started here at the beginning of last year. It honestly sounds like you aren't eating enough bro. If you cut down your cals too much, you will lose muscle as quickly as you lose fat. I was told this REPEATEDLY last year, and didn't listen, because I wanted the weight off, and I ended up a sickly and weak 204 by winter. I looked and felt like shit, and have spent the last year putting back on muscle. If I would have just dialed in my diet and done it right from the beginning, I would be so much farther along right now than I am.

Your maintenance cals are around the high 3k range. Dont cut them too far to start with. Why not shoot for 3200 cals at first and see what happens? Keep your protein up around 250-300g per day (or even higher).

Make sure you are lifting HEAVY 2-3 times a week. A 2 day Push/Pull heavy compound split works wonders for this. Don't go stupid on cardio. That was my biggest mistake. Well that and eating bullshit like asparagus and pepper for dinner :P Keep your cardio to 2-3 times per week, and don't go too crazy. HIIT 2 days a week is awesome.

As a former fatty bro, I am more than willing to offer any help that I can, just let me know!

Originally Posted by jmorrison

Your maintenance cals are around the high 3k range. Dont cut them too far to start with. Why not shoot for 3200 cals at first and see what happens? Keep your protein up around 250-300g per day (or even higher).

Make sure you are lifting HEAVY 2-3 times a week.

Not possible. I don't have a gym membership or the weights to go "heavy". I work from 10a.m. to 7p.m. and don't have the time to spend exercising. I absolutely will not consume that many calories because I will stay fat. Same thing with Protein. I can only do about 125 grams a day. I'm not a bodybuilder and those numbers just aren't realistic. 300g will probably make me fat too.

I need to at least keep it low, low for the first two weeks to burn off all this water weight and figure out where I'm truly at.

Originally Posted by TheGreatSatan

Not possible. I don't have a gym membership or the weights to go "heavy". I work from 10a.m. to 7p.m. and don't have the time to spend exercising. I absolutely will not consume that many calories because I will stay fat. Same thing with Protein. I can only do about 125 grams a day. I'm not a bodybuilder and those numbers just aren't realistic. 300g will probably make me fat too.

I need to at least keep it low, low for the first two weeks to burn off all this water weight and figure out where I'm truly at.

So let me get this straight. Your totally out of shape and no nothing about how to properly diet or exercise. But when someone gives you correct advise like my boy JMorrison does you dont listen.

Last June I walked in and joined a gym and worked out for the first time in 13 years. My stats were 39, 5'11", 285lbs and body fat in the upper 20's. I sat on this site and studied for weeks about diet, nutrition and supplements. By January I had totally changed my diet and workouts and as on my way and down to 268. By July of this year I was down to 238 and bf around 15%. No fat burners, no gear. I re-learned how to eat.

If you dont take in the proper amounts of calories, protein and fat, YES FAT, your body will not run like the well oiled machine you want. 5-6 small meals per day, every 2-3 hours is what you need. Start out going to FitDay.com and sign up and begin posting your food intake. This will chart your macro's and give you the breakdown of calories, protein, carbs and fats. Begin posting them to your log as well so people can better assist you. Believe it or not, a simple basic approach to this is the following:

1.5 - 2 grams of protein per pound of body weight
.5g of fat per pound of body weight

This is not shitty fats from fried foods or fast foods, but good fats from olive oil, natural peanut butter.

Calories:
Cut - 10-13 calories per lb of body weight
Maintain - 13-15 calories per lb of body weight
Bulk - 15-18 calories per lb of body weight

so recommending you take in 3200 calories per day is running about 12 calories per lb of body weight which is perfect to start. You've been eating like shit for years to get this out of shape. Do you really think you can jump in at 2650 calories (10 calories per lb of body weight) to start. Your setting yourself up to fail. This is a life change, not a quick fix. Start off at 3200 for 2 weeks and then drop down to 11 calories per lb. Take that into consideration with the weight loss you may have and you will have lowered your calories by maybe 275 - 300.

You probably will not listen to anything we tell you because you seem to know more than us, but I wanted to at least say my peace.

Good luck.

man. you may say your not a bodybuilder- i would probably agree so maybe 300 might be overkill if you're not in the gym busting the weights but you do want to maintain your muscle.

you're way underfed. thats an unrealistic diet. i guarentee you wont be able to maintain that more than a few days before you say f' it and go to mcdonalds or head down to CiCi's.

Originally Posted by TheGreatSatan

Not possible. I don't have a gym membership or the weights to go "heavy". I work from 10a.m. to 7p.m. and don't have the time to spend exercising. I absolutely will not consume that many calories because I will stay fat. Same thing with Protein. I can only do about 125 grams a day. I'm not a bodybuilder and those numbers just aren't realistic. 300g will probably make me fat too.

I need to at least keep it low, low for the first two weeks to burn off all this water weight and figure out where I'm truly at.

Brother I completely understand your frustration, and I completely understand that it makes no sense to you to eat more to lose weight, but burning fat is nothing but a math problem. Honestly when you realize that your life will improve dramatically.

At your weight, your daily maintenance calories are 3,000 at the lowest, 4,200 at the highest. Probably more like 3800. Which is why I said to try 3200 for a week or so. It is mathematically impossible for you to "stay fat" on those calories. If you are in a caloric deficit, you WILL lose fat. You are right on in saying that you want to figure out where you are truly at, but going on a crash diet for 2 weeks is a horrible way to find this out. You will be doing damage to your CNS, metabolism and hormones. Not to mention that at that low of calories, you will be sabotaging your progress by setting unrealistic goals. You want to set up a diet plan that you can stick with for the rest of your life, not just until you hit a goal weight. If you are miserable you will not stick with it.

Eat 3200 for 2 weeks and see what the scale/tape measure says, then adjust from there. Trust me brother, I am not investing in this thread to mess with you, I just don't want to see you make the same mistakes I did.

As far as protein, you seem to be under a slight misunderstanding of how it works. Each gram of protein carries 4 calories. So to pick a number like 125g is a very arbitrary number. That is only 500 calories a day from protein, and for someone your size it is simply not enough to maintain your muscle mass. Eating protein is no different than eating any other calorie as far as fat gain is concerned, so dont worry about going over 125. The reason you eat (AT MINIMUM) 1g of protein per lb of lean body mass while cutting, (1.5-2.5 if lifting) is not to make you "big". It is to retain your LBM. It is a fact that injesting this amount of protein during dieting will spare muscle tissue.

Look at it this way. You arent happy with the way you look. If you lose fat/muscle in equal proportions (which is what will happen on your current eating plan) you will lose weight, but you will only look like a smaller version of what you look like now.

So if you are 265lbs, even at 30% body fat (which is very very high) you still have somewhere in the neighborhood of 185-190lbs of LBM. You may not be a body builder, but just the physical act of dragging around that much ass builds muscle. That means at LEAST 200g of protein required, and that is with a sedentary lifestyle. If you are exercising, you need at LEAST 250g per day. Assuming a goal weight of 220lbs, if you retain your LBM, or at least most of it, you will hit 220 at around 15% bodyfat, which is pretty damned sexy man. Trust me, from one former fatty to a current chubster, you want to keep what muscle you have.

As far as weight training, not having access to a gym will certainly hurt your progress, but if your only goal is to hit a healthy weight and not look terrible with your shirt off, there are many exercises and routines that you can improvise and do right in your living room. That coupled with HIIT and you can get very nice results. Remember, trimming up is at least 75% diet, and the rest is probably half training and half pure mental determination.

I genuinely hope this helps, and I am honestly here to answer any questions that you may have if it is within my knowledge base to answer them.

I only take in 120g of Protein everyday and look how Jerked and Desirable I turned out

Same thing with Protein. I can only do about 125 grams a day. I'm not a bodybuilder and those numbers just aren't realistic. 300g will probably make me fat too.

I need to at least keep it low, low for the first two weeks to burn off all this water weight and figure out where I'm truly at.[/QUOTE]


I was 450. Consumed 300 grams of protein a day and lost 107 pounds in 5 months!! 3 solid food meals and 3 protein shakes a day = 300 grams easy...
listen to these guys seriously.

Originally Posted by Dark Saney

I only take in 120g of Protein everyday and look how Jerked and Desirable I turned out

Is that just the amount you take analy? Tell the truth.....

Originally Posted by BigBoiH

Is that just the amount you take analy? Tell the truth.....

Zing!

Originally Posted by jmorrison

At your weight, your daily maintenance calories are 3,000 at the lowest, 4,200 at the highest. Probably more like 3800. Which is why I said to try 3200 for a week or so.

Originally Posted by bigdaddyinks

I was 450. Consumed 300 grams of protein a day and lost 107 pounds in 5 months!! 3 solid food meals and 3 protein shakes a day = 300 grams easy...
listen to these guys seriously.

The problem is with work. I don't have the opportunity to eat that much. By the time I get home it's 8pm and I can't be pounding down food that close to bed time.

You guys are all bodybuilders. Go to any other dieting site and they'll flip out with the amounts of food you guys eat. But then again, you're exercising a lot more that anyone else. There's no way I'm doing enough exercise to burn off 3000+ calories of food. I work damn near all day where I do a lot of walking, but that's it. I'm not an idiot. With my schedule, I'd be lucky to burn off 2000 calories.

I get up at 6:40 to get my kids ready for school, then get myself ready for work and leave. I have a 1/2 hour lunch to eat something, usually a shake w/ 50 grams of protein. I get home and have something light, like a veggie. I don't want a bunch of food in me when I go to bed or it'll be stored as fat. I try to do a little cardio or some weights (with what little I have) for about 30-40 minutes, then go to bed.

Where in there do you see me burning off 3000 calories?? Or having the time to consume it?

Originally Posted by TheGreatSatan

don't want a bunch of food in me when I go to bed or it'll be stored as fat.

This is false. You can eat all of your calories right before bed and still lose fat.

What are your maintenance calories?

Additionally, there are plenty of strategies for getting in calories. You can throw some olive oil into your shakes or put it on basically any food. Additionally, take advantage of those shakes. Instead of 50 grams, up it to 100. Do whatever you need to do to get in sufficient calories.


Either way, you are not going to reach your goal by just popping some prohormone.

I thought there is a limit to how much protein your body can handle at one time.....

The alternative is then to take in insufficient protein?

The nature of the "30-50g per meal" idea is just a way of getting in 300 or so grams over the course of a day if one is taking in six or seven meals. It's tough to take in 100 grams of chicken in a sitting but if you are drinking it, it is far more feasible.

If you want to look into the performance aspect of taking in "large" amounts of protein in one sitting, I recommend googling "hyperaminoacidemia".

On another note, a lot of these specific 'bodybuilding nutrition tips' serve to confuse more than they help. Many guys in your situation are focusing on the little details without seeing the big picture.

Don't worry about meal timing or frequency or anything that would "optimize" your results. You'd be well served to get the fundamentals down first.

Find your maintenance. Take in about 500 cals less than that to cut. Get in 1g/lb of lbm of protein and 0.5 g/lbm of fat. Make up the rest of the calories however you'd like.

That's all you really need to worry about.

Originally Posted by TheGreatSatan

Where in there do you see me burning off 3000 calories?? Or having the time to consume it?

Again, you are misunderstading what I am saying. Your body is not any different than anyone elses. Be it a 14 year old boy, or an 85 year old woman, all people gain/lose weight by the same formula. Calories in vs. calories out.

To get to the weight you are currently at, you are consuming more calories than you expend. Since your BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate)is roughly between 2900-3200 calories, you need that many calories simply to MAINTAIN weight, in a sedentary lifestyle. So having the time to consume it simply isnt a problem for you, because you have been eating more than that to get to the size you are now.

Here is an in depth explanation of BRM:
Basal metabolic rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Although the TLDR version is to take LBM X 16 = BRM. Assuming you are 25%-30% bodyfat, that still puts you at 3,000-3200 just to maintain weight. And if you are NOT sedentary as you say, than you were eating more than that.

Also here is a calculator if you want to run it:
http://www.exrx.net/Calculators/CalRequire.html

I just ran it with what is roughly your numbers, and if you spent 24 hours a day sleeping you would burn 2500 calories.

I understand that your time is limited, but that is simply a copout bro. Your body doesnt care if you eat at 3am or 7pm. You can take your calories in in 27 meals throughout the day if you want, or in one whopping feast and it wont matter. (of course an exaggeration). Most people eat several smaller meals, not because of some obscure benefit, but because it is simply more comfortable.

What I am saying, is that you were already taking in MORE calories than this, so why do you think that taking it in now is suddenly impossible?

You say that you would be lucky to burn off 2,000 calories, but you are once again just ignoring mathematical fact. Just the in the act of being YOU, and existing, you are burning off around 3,000 calories a day, and thats just if you are sitting on your ass.

Yes, I'm sure that many diet boards would possibly argue. I don't care. Diet boards are full of fat people that refuse to take charge of their lives. If you didn't want people to help or comment, why in the world would you post your plan? Your plan is terrible,and you will suffer for it. We are trying to help.

Seems to me that you are making any excuses possible to diet and train properly. Even with your weight set it should be sufficient. You said your trying to lose fat not gain muscle so High reps low weight should work fine for you. Look into plyo, cardio and arobics.
Here is a ref of my schedule with work, kids, training, diet and wife:

Originally Posted by BigBoiH

This is a problem that I struggled with for awhile. I struggled with it so much that it almost made me quit training. Not being able to fit proper nutrition in is very demotivating. Hell its hard enough for most people to fit training in. I think if you can find a way to get your four essentials to lifting; sleep, proper nutrition, training , and last but not least consistency, while maintaining a happy household and making a living you are a lucky man. The key to this is that I have found is strategy and sacrifice. After switching my work shift from 1st to 3rd due to being able to hang with the family more often, I found myself in limbo for a month trying to get my lifting essentials together. I first excersized strategy by writing down all foods that were available to me. I start my day with a large serving of oats (which are portable and easily nuked). I work security in a large hotel here in Daytona Beach, so I looked at the lunch menu to see what was accessible and wholesome. I find myself eating 2 grilled chicken breast with a side of broccoli and asparagus which is 2 hours after my first meal. I then eat a protein bar after another 2 hours. And granola cereal and almonds right before its time to go home. Luckily my wife is Rican so there is always beans rice and some type of meat already cooked for dinner the night before that was prepared for the kids. So I eat that. Next it is time for the gym when they open at 8am which is accompanied by 5-6 hard boiled eggs which are again portable. Post workout I am drinking a protein shake. By the time I am home I am eating my last meal that might consist of alot of different sources but are usually left overs. Time to sleep and then wake up and do it all over again. I often carry a backpack with all my goodies and the back of my expedition sometimes looks like I went grocery shopping, but its all for a good cause.
A list of "portable" foods:
Tuna
Cereals
Oatmeal
Hard Boiled eggs
Chicken in a can
Nuts
Jerky
Canned shakes
Protein bars
Yogurt and cottage cheese in cups
Any leftovers in tupperware
PB and veg
Im sure there are more, but I cant think of any more off the top of my head. Just try to map out different restaraunts that you are by while doing your daily routine. Subway tuna and double meat sandwhiches have gotten me out of a couple crunches when I was about to miss a meal. They are cheap as well.
Hope this helps a little