Thread: Advice on cycle

Personally I wouldnt do straight EQ. Test is the base to any cycle. You could do a test Eq combo and get real good results. Most people that run EQ run it for about 16 weeks. If you need a front kicker winny wouldnt be my choice. The t-bol sounds much better but for no more than four weeks. Ai's are always needed from day one and it is my preferance to run HCG starting week 2-3 and up until PCT. I see you are planning on taking clomid and thats great. Keep nolvadex on hand aswell. If you have any other questions please ask but your getting it close. And God bless ya brother and thank you for protecting this country of ours. We have so many ass holes in this country that dont appreciate their freedoms, I'm not one of them.

Cavtrooper, you intend to drop weight by running a cycle and eating OVER maintenance, is that what I'm hearing?

Originally Posted by Built

Cavtrooper, you intend to drop weight by running a cycle and eating OVER maintenance, is that what I'm hearing?

Not looking to drop weight but I do want to lose a tiny bit of body fat. If I eat under maintenance strength gains will be minimal so by going just over I can recomp and get some strength gains.

Thanks RoaddKing!

Im interested to hear this also. Would it be possible to eat slightly over maintenance and add more muscle than fat ( assisted by gear ) thus changing your body composition. Not necessarily lose fat but still dropping % as LBM increases?
Good luck cavtrooper.

Originally Posted by cavtrooper96

Not looking to drop weight but I do want to lose a tiny bit of body fat. If I eat under maintenance strength gains will be minimal so by going just over I can recomp and get some strength gains.

You've never run a cycle, you're 15% bodyfat, you're not sure how many calories you're eating now, you intend to eat MORE than this while on, AND you expect to drop bodyfat and make strength gains while training in higher than normal rep-ranges and supersets.

Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by Built

You've never run a cycle, you're 15% bodyfat, you're not sure how many calories you're eating now, you intend to eat MORE than this while on, AND you expect to drop bodyfat and make strength gains while training in higher than normal rep-ranges and supersets.

Good luck with that.

I know exactly how many cals are going in, what my macros are and how to calculate maintenance based on my varying workouts. Ive sucessfully trained in higher reps before with supersets just not recently. Ive never ran a cycle with real gear but I have plenty of experience with PH/DS. Im by no means an expert but I have a solid base and am learning. Could you offer some critiques? I wouldnt be on this board if I wasnt looking for advice and info from all you gurus.

Test Tren EQ wouldnt be to bad maybe some winny last 4 weeks sounds pretty good but than again what do I know

Originally Posted by cavtrooper96

I know exactly how many cals are going in, what my macros are and how to calculate maintenance based on my varying workouts.

Hey, awesome my bad. I must have been thinking of someone else.

Okay, post up your current maintenance based on your current activity level, and perhaps tell me why you want to go to a higher rep range and supersets while cutting.

It's not something I've done - I usually drop training volume and keep it heavy while cutting. There is a time and a place for higher rep range work, I'm just curious as to your reasoning. Usually higher volume work is best suited for bulking, when you have more food going in; in the case of high rep range/superset work, that's usually best suited to times when you wish to bring up your conditioning base, at maintenance calories so you ensure your body doesn't drop mass while you do it.

Originally Posted by Built

Hey, awesome my bad. I must have been thinking of someone else.

Okay, post up your current maintenance based on your current activity level, and perhaps tell me why you want to go to a higher rep range and supersets while cutting.

No problem. There are some morons on here wanting to take Dbol that are 25% BF never worked out and only eat Taco Bell! I have a pretty good knowledge base although Im not an expert. Im a PT stud in my unit and usually run PT. Im a track and field coach at the YMCA and have taken a few classes back in college and votech before I changed my major to finance.

My BMR is 1929. So 2850 Cals to maintain w/o exercise for a moderate lifestyle. This is current. I adjust accordingly usually weekly.

My premise behind the higher rep range and supersets was to train more for endurance. My thinking (correct me if Im wrong) is that With only being about 200 above maintenance I can attack a little fat in the morning after fasting with endurance and cardio exercises while also increasing strength slightly. I would keep carbs low. Maybe 20%

I did this successfully about 2 years ago with an Epi cycle I ran. I lost 3% BF while increasing strength and endurance. It was a pretty nice recomp!

Cool, thanks for the backgrounder. Usually on a cut, the strategy for optimal fat-loss is to preserve muscle while starving off the fat. It's pretty hard to bring up endurance (slow twitch and VO2MAX) and strength (fast-twitch and CNS) at the same time under the best of circumstances; harder still while on sub-maintenance calories. What has worked for me - and seems to make sense, given the literature - is as follows:

• Begin the cut with very little change to your current training. Bring up endurance base now, while you're still juicy enough to support the work without it totally wiping you out.
• As the cut proceeds, drop training volume down a bit while keeping the iron on the bar. Introduce metabolic work (sprint intervals, complexes, supersets). Maintain endurance base by following metabolic work with low-intensity steady-state cardio (read: modest cycling, slow jogging, or fast walking up a modest incline)
• Gradually decrease training volume as the cut deepens. Keep the heavy stuff in, ditch all accessory work. Maintain strength base with low-rep heavy work. Metabolic cardio a few times a week; follow lifting or metabolic work with steady-state cardio.

Diet wise, pick your poison. I'm beginning to appreciate intermittent fasting these days, and tend to keep the fats up but that's me; ultimately whatever lets you maintain a deficit will do the trick. Bigrene's cycle sounds good, but you've never pinned before. Why not just stick with test for now; maybe toss in some winny at the end; leave the more exotic compounds for next cycle.

Originally Posted by Built

Cool, thanks for the backgrounder. Usually on a cut, the strategy for optimal fat-loss is to preserve muscle while starving off the fat. It's pretty hard to bring up endurance (slow twitch and VO2MAX) and strength (fast-twitch and CNS) at the same time under the best of circumstances; harder still while on sub-maintenance calories. What has worked for me - and seems to make sense, given the literature - is as follows:

• Begin the cut with very little change to your current training. Bring up endurance base now, while you're still juicy enough to support the work without it totally wiping you out.
• As the cut proceeds, drop training volume down a bit while keeping the iron on the bar. Introduce metabolic work (sprint intervals, complexes, supersets). Maintain endurance base by following metabolic work with low-intensity steady-state cardio (read: modest cycling, slow jogging, or fast walking up a modest incline)
• Gradually decrease training volume as the cut deepens. Keep the heavy stuff in, ditch all accessory work. Maintain strength base with low-rep heavy work. Metabolic cardio a few times a week; follow lifting or metabolic work with steady-state cardio.

Diet wise, pick your poison. I'm beginning to appreciate intermittent fasting these days, and tend to keep the fats up but that's me; ultimately whatever lets you maintain a deficit will do the trick. Bigrene's cycle sounds good, but you've never pinned before. Why not just stick with test for now; maybe toss in some winny at the end; leave the more exotic compounds for next cycle.

In your opinion, do you think this is better than HIIT, for dropping body fat?

Built. I was thinking of doing test instead of boldenone. Would u reccomend anything to kick start at the beginning?

Looking for some info on GH... I have cycled in the past,,, out of the game for a few years.. been back in the gym steady for about 18 months,, 3 weeks into some test now.. I have some Dec I start next week... fairly uneducated about GH and looking for some dosage recomendations..

6' 2" 240lbs.. 48 yrs old.. can anybody out there help me out..

Originally Posted by Outlaw04

Looking for some info on GH... I have cycled in the past,,, out of the game for a few years.. been back in the gym steady for about 18 months,, 3 weeks into some test now.. I have some Dec I start next week... fairly uneducated about GH and looking for some dosage recomendations..

6' 2" 240lbs.. 48 yrs old.. can anybody out there help me out..

Start your own thread. This thread has nothing to do with GH

Originally Posted by CT

In your opinion, do you think this is better than HIIT, for dropping body fat?

A caloric deficit (diet) combined with muscle-retention (anabolics, lifting) will drop bodyfat. HIIT stimulates a catecholamine release; follow it with steady-state and you'll burn off what you released, but ultimately unless you run a deficit, you won't drop. That deficit can come from increased expenditure, but it's a pretty miserable way to fly. Aim to create most of the deficit through diet. Exercise just dosen't burn off enough calories - it's easier to just not eat the donut - and more efficient to use exercise for muscle-retention (although you've got a lot of help coming from the AAS).

Regarding which to use, which to kick-start with: I defer to the fellas. Most will tell you "test only" for a first cycle, but many use dbol to kick-start. Another option is to frontload with the test.

Originally Posted by Built

HIIT stimulates a catecholamine release; follow it with steady-state and you'll burn off what you released, but ultimately unless you run a deficit, you won't drop..

or he could read a fab article called ...daredevils are shredded


( i did my homework lol -- show me my rep points lol )