Thread: t3/clen, first time user

T3 and Clen are oral medications not "shots"

Originally Posted by heavyiron

T3 and Clen are oral medications not "shots"

I think he meant shots from an oral syringe with product from a research chem facility for his rats. Atleast I hope so! IV and IM or even sub q no bueno. Either way he posted in the wrong forum

t3 and clen are very harsh drugs. Have you ever considered an ECA stack?

Originally Posted by cavtrooper96

I think he meant shots from an oral syringe with product from a research chem facility for his rats. Atleast I hope so! IV and IM or even sub q no bueno. Either way he posted in the wrong forum

It's a she, not a he.

Yes I'm not talking iv. Liquid form Ive used with clen under my tongue, not T3.
Im not the type to be able to give myself a shot with a needle.
And I apologize if this isnt the right forum.

ECA is a MUCH better option. Clen will make you tired, moody and give you massive heart palpatations throught the day. T3 is a synthetic thyroid medication which you don't start and stop every 3 weeks.

ECA will give you the same results at half the price and half the sides, and you can buy it all OTC.

My bad. Her pic wasnt up when I replied and I didnt check.

Im already moody. lol

Would you explain more as to why ECA stack is better than t3/clen? Im not arguing the fact, just interested in knowing more.

Maybe not better per se but less sides and very effective.

Can you take these in your stomach?

Originally Posted by Brandibeth

Im already moody. lol

And if that is you in the avatar......HOT!!!

the best way to run clen for a first time IMHO is as follows

1) One week prior to starting the clen take your waking temperature (have a thermometer beside the bed and take your temp before you get out of bed), average these and that is your average resting temp

2) Clen will increase this 0.5-1.0 degree Fahrenheit when it is in it's most effective range

3) start at 20mcg and increase by 20mcgs every 3-4 days until one of these things happens: a) Your blood pressure gets too high, b) the sides you are getting are too strong (this is a personal thing), c) your temperature increase 1.0 degrees F or more

if the sides are too strong then decrease dose by 10-20mcgs until tolerable

run 2 weeks on 1 week off

The second course start with the highest dose you could tolerate the first time. No need to taper up.

Most females should not need more than 100mcg's daily once the top of the pyramid is reached but there are variations on how individuals respond. I personally had to stop at 60mcg's daily.

First time T3 should be 25mcg's daily for the first week then increase to 50mcg's daily. Run T3 as long as you like.

no i like to post random pictures of girls who i aspire to be....lol... yes thats me and my beak. hahah

"3) start at 20mcg and increase by 20mcgs every 3-4 days until one of these things happens: a) Your blood pressure gets too high, b) the sides you are getting are too strong (this is a personal thing), c) your temperature increase 1.0 degrees F or more"

I took clen in liquid form before, and just put it under my tongue. I started small and then when I started to get a headache, Id drop it back down to the mcg before. That seemed to work. "tex" was a friend on an old blog when I took it and that's how I knew what to do. Do you you agree with this?

Originally Posted by Brandibeth

"3) start at 20mcg and increase by 20mcgs every 3-4 days until one of these things happens: a) Your blood pressure gets too high, b) the sides you are getting are too strong (this is a personal thing), c) your temperature increase 1.0 degrees F or more"

I took clen in liquid form before, and just put it under my tongue. I started small and then when I started to get a headache, Id drop it back down to the mcg before. That seemed to work. "tex" was a friend on an old blog when I took it and that's how I knew what to do. Do you you agree with this?

It seems like a crude way of determining dose since headaches can be caused by many things. I would check BP and body temperature instead.

"It seems like a crude way of determining dose since headaches can be caused by many things. I would check BP and body temperature instead. "

I started out at 40mcg, then upped it. Unfortunetly my body has always had a higher resistance to anything drug related. idk why. I was taking my temp and it wasnt rising, after a bit I told him that I wasnt sure I was taking enough, so he said as long as I monitored it I could up the mcgs. He said that my body would probably tell me when it was enough do to getting a headache and it actually did. I had zero side effects and lost 3% in body fat.

ECA gives better and more consistent results, especially over the long term. Go with ECA. ECA= ephedrine/caffeine/aspirin Stack these 3 together for a potent fat burner. Nobody is "afraid" of clen...it is just that some people don't respond well to it, some people can't stand the side effects, and, its effects wear off after 2-3 weeks. ECAs effects actually get better over time. Some people actually stack ECA and clen (dangerous), or they cycle between the two. Over the short term, clen is more potent, but over 8-12 weeks, I feel ECA is superior. If you take clen & t3 or t4, you will lose weight, but if youer diet is not consistant, you end up gaining that weight right back and maybe some extra. clen is very short lived and you will be universally disappointed. Plus the sides are more risky...why stress your heart out if you do not have to with eca.

Originally Posted by pyes

ECA gives better and more consistent results, especially over the long term. Go with ECA. ECA= ephedrine/caffeine/aspirin Stack these 3 together for a potent fat burner. Nobody is "afraid" of clen...it is just that some people don't respond well to it, some people can't stand the side effects, and, its effects wear off after 2-3 weeks. ECAs effects actually get better over time. Some people actually stack ECA and clen (dangerous), or they cycle between the two. Over the short term, clen is more potent, but over 8-12 weeks, I feel ECA is superior. If you take clen & t3 or t4, you will lose weight, but if youer diet is not consistant, you end up gaining that weight right back and maybe some extra. clen is very short lived and you will be universally disappointed. Plus the sides are more risky...why stress your heart out if you do not have to with eca.

Amen to that!

Originally Posted by heavyiron

run 2 weeks on 1 week off

The second course start with the highest dose you could tolerate the first time. No need to taper up.

Great info from HeavyIron. I just finished my first round of t3 and clen. When I took the week off, I took benadryl at night during the week off. I've read debate or not if this helps. Just in my own testing I feel it did. Heavy says don't taper up on the clen after time off. That's also what I had learned to do, but didn't work for me. If I didn't taper up for a couple of days, I would feel like crap. With the T3 tried taking it during different times and I preferred spreading it out. Maybe it didn't make a difference, but that seemed better for me.

ECA will also suppress your appetite to almost nothing.

Who is the fastest company on the website to get the Ephedra? I have the other.

Ok, you've changed my mind. Ill put aside the t3 for now. Great info.

Originally Posted by Brandibeth

Who is the fastest company on the website to get the Ephedra? I have the other.

Go to your local drug store and tell them you want to buy Bronkaid.

Take half of the caffeine tab and the full bronkaid, the asprin is optional as some suggest it extends the half life, it never did when I took it.

I would suggest taking it first thing in the AM on an empty stomach to asses your tolerance. After a couple of days you can up the dose. Here is how I used to run it.

1. 50mg Ephedrine / 300mg Caffeine - on an empty stomach before workout or cardio.
2. 25mg E / 200mg C
3. 25mg E / 200mg C
4. 25mg E / 200mg C

Don't take the last dose after 2-3pm you might have issues sleeping. Spread the doses out every 3-4 hours. Take a fiber supplement as well, that much caffeine might cause constipation. Increase your water intake also, as caffeine will dehydrate you.

bronkaid otc? I go to walgreens and tried to look it up.

Originally Posted by Brandibeth

bronkaid otc? I go to walgreens and tried to look it up.

You usually have to ask for it and you have to show ID to get it. You can only buy so much at a time. I think it's about $5-7 per 24 tabs. You can usually get two boxes at a time.

I called up there and asked, I should have done that before I posted. What caffeine pills should I get while Im there? I used to take hydroxy cut, but I wouldnt mind something cheaper.

No-Doz