Thread: Advice Please

Originally Posted by hmandn1

Hi everyone,

I have been viewing the site for several months and been reading a ton information and trying to learn as much as possible before I act on anyting but here's my current stats and future cycle plans:

Ht: 6'
wt: 205
bf%: 14

macros: 2700-3000 calories/day, approx. 280-300gr/protein, 200-250gcarbs/50-70gFat.

Cycle experience: 1 @ 400mg Test Cyp, 5yrs ago.

Cycle Plan: Weeks 1-12: 500mg/Test & 400mg Equipoise
PCT: Start 2 weeks after last injection,
Nolvadex 20mg/day Weeks 1-6,
HCG 500iu/day weeks 1-3,
Aromasin 20mg/day weeks 1-4.

Questions:

1. Should I drop my body fat to 10-11% before starting the cycle?
2. Should I just run a Test only cycle for my second cycle?

Advice much appreciated...Thanks beforehand.

How old are you? And what is your goal(s) for the cycle?

Originally Posted by hmandn1

Hi everyone,

I have been viewing the site for several months and been reading a ton information and trying to learn as much as possible before I act on anyting but here's my current stats and future cycle plans:

Ht: 6'
wt: 205
bf%: 14

macros: 2700-3000 calories/day, approx. 280-300gr/protein, 200-250gcarbs/50-70gFat.

Cycle experience: 1 @ 400mg Test Cyp, 5yrs ago.

Cycle Plan: Weeks 1-12: 500mg/Test & 400mg Equipoise
PCT: Start 2 weeks after last injection,
Nolvadex 20mg/day Weeks 1-6,
HCG 500iu/day weeks 1-3,
Aromasin 20mg/day weeks 1-4.

Questions:

1. Should I drop my body fat to 10-11% before starting the cycle?
2. Should I just run a Test only cycle for my second cycle?

Advice much appreciated...Thanks beforehand.

up your dosage of eq to 600mg, you should just take your aromasin during your cycle, 20mg eod and up the dosage as needed. doing eq will drop your body for you. just keep your diet clean.

Im 30yrs old, goals are to gain lean mass and strength.

Originally Posted by hmandn1

Hi everyone,

I have been viewing the site for several months and been reading a ton information and trying to learn as much as possible before I act on anyting but here's my current stats and future cycle plans:

Ht: 6'
wt: 205
bf%: 14

macros: 2700-3000 calories/day, approx. 280-300gr/protein, 200-250gcarbs/50-70gFat.

Cycle experience: 1 @ 400mg Test Cyp, 5yrs ago.

Cycle Plan: Weeks 1-12: 500mg/Test & 400mg Equipoise
PCT: Start 2 weeks after last injection,
Nolvadex 20mg/day Weeks 1-6,
HCG 500iu/day weeks 1-3,
Aromasin 20mg/day weeks 1-4.

Questions:

1. Should I drop my body fat to 10-11% before starting the cycle?
2. Should I just run a Test only cycle for my second cycle?

Advice much appreciated...Thanks beforehand.

Do not do this cycle, it is screwed up.
Ditch the nolva, way toomuch hcg, and not enough aromasin, also what is your pct compound?

If I were you I would:
week 1-12 cyp @ 500mgs
week 3-14 hcg @ 500mgs (split it by 250 mgs monday and thursday)
week 3-14 aromasin 12.5 mg EOD or arimidex .5mg EOD
week 14-17 clomid @ day one and two take 200mg, then continue with 100/75/50/50.
Since this is you second cycle of cyp and your body agrees, it is up to you if you would like to throw in EQ.

You can even up the cyp if you wanted to...maybe 650-750mgs week. Up to you and your sweet spot.

Ideally, you would want to drop your bf% to single digits, but 14% is not to far off.

Pyes, thanks for eyeing that. Hcg will be run accordingly. I will also get down to at least 10% bf before I begin the cycle. I may go ahead and up the test to your recommendation.

Do you think I should run the aromasin throughout the cycle?

Originally Posted by hmandn1

Pyes, thanks for eyeing that. Hcg will be run accordingly. I will also get down to at least 10% bf before I begin the cycle. I may go ahead and up the test to your recommendation.

Do you think I should run the aromasin throughout the cycle?

Most people prefer to run adex instead of aromasin and you run it throughout the cycle up (EOD like pyes said) until PCT starts.

Ok. thanks Life. I really appreciate the feedback guys. I really want to make the most out of this cycle, as far as lean muscle and strength gains. At 30yrs old, I want to take advantage of the opportunity and the knowledge you guys share.

Thanks again.

Cycle Plan: Weeks 1-12: 500mg/Test & 400mg Equipoise
PCT: Start 2 weeks after last injection clomid 100/50/50/25
HCG 250iu twice a week weeks 1-12
Adex .5mg on hand in case of estrogen sides

why are people telling him to do over 600mg of test a week? this is his second cycle for Gods sake, is his third cycle going to be 900mg? come on guys

Most people run cyp around 750 mgs a week. if it were another ester 500-600mgs would be efficient.

Cyp and EQ make a great combination and that combo is a favorite to a lot of guys. Second cycle your doses look ok to me. 500 cyp, 400 EQ. You realize EQ takes a while to kick in and is slow acting but will certainly help with vascularity and a steady strength increase. 12 weeks would be the minimum length of time I would do this combination. So your doses look ok to me and the length of time your waiting for PCT looks ok also. The problems I see is I think it's best to run your HCG throughout your cycle instead of doing it old school at the end. So consider 250iu's HCG 2x wkly starting week two and continue up until PCT starts. The other issue I see is I think it's best to run a ai from day one and up until PCT starts and some continue the same ai all the way through. Clomid is best for PCT. Your cycle isnt real heavy but plenty for your second cycle so your clomid in pct should be something like this. 100mgs per day week 1, 75mg per day week 2 and then two more with 50mgs per day. A lot of people have their own views on how to do things but one things certain. HCG throughout will help a easier recovery in PCT. Arimadex is what I use mainly because of the cost factor but many prefer aromasin. If you do arimadex it can be dosed at .5mgs EOD from day one. If you need to make adjustments you can. For example if you start holding to much water and getting puffy you can up your dose. You should be fine though as far as thats concerned because the test in this cycle is the only thing that could make you puffy and with the dose you are talking about that shouldnt be a concern. Pyes and some of the other fellas have good information aswell and I'm not trying to take anything away from them just another way to look at things. I appreciate the fact that you have been reading a bunch and are planning this out carefully. Knowledge is power my friend. Take notes, get a tablet and write down all that will be needed, when to use, how much, etc and have all things in hand.

Originally Posted by hmandn1

Pyes, thanks for eyeing that. Hcg will be run accordingly. I will also get down to at least 10% bf before I begin the cycle. I may go ahead and up the test to your recommendation.

Do you think I should run the aromasin throughout the cycle?

I don't personally think you should "wait" and try to drop to 10% bf....just for future reference though I would try to keep your bf between 10-12 maximum. That Test is going to help you greatly lose a lot of that fat. Dieting and cardio now is just going to waste away muscle in my opinion.

To All, I really appreciate the feedback. I should receive my gear in a couple of weeks, so I will definitely post my progress when I decide to start the cycle. I just want to line everything up before I begin. I actually got my pct before I got my gear because I dont want to be like a lot of the noobs I see asking for advice after the fact.

Again, thanks to all. I am more at ease now about everything. FYI, I have been training for approximately 13years w/ a couple of layoffs (the longest being 9mos.after my son was born in 2005).

Originally Posted by hmandn1

Pyes, thanks for eyeing that. Hcg will be run accordingly. I will also get down to at least 10% bf before I begin the cycle. I may go ahead and up the test to your recommendation.

Do you think I should run the aromasin throughout the cycle?

Yes run either aromasin or arimidex from day one all the way til your pct starts.

Originally Posted by Del1964

I don't personally think you should "wait" and try to drop to 10% bf....just for future reference though I would try to keep your bf between 10-12 maximum. That Test is going to help you greatly lose a lot of that fat. Dieting and cardio now is just going to waste away muscle in my opinion.

That is an incorrect statement. Test will not help him lose fat. Infact the higher bf% he is, the more water he might hold and greater risk of gyno.

Originally Posted by pyes

Most people run cyp around 750 mgs a week. if it were another ester 500-600mgs would be efficient.

i guess this changes on all boards.

i visit many boards and some people suggest the old time favorite of min 250-300mg a week for 8-10 weeks of test cyp or enan for a first cycle

on other boards (most boards 500mg of cyp is the norm for the first cycle)

on this board i see a two sided thing some say 400-500mg test cyp for a first cycle and other say 600-750mg of cyp for a first cycle and i personally think that is outrageous

when a person does the first cycle they usually put on around 25lbs even with poor diet and tons of strength with dosages as low as 300mg of test cyp or enan.

it is much easier to up a dosage when something is not working than to drop a dosage when something is giving you WAY to many sides. just my .02

Originally Posted by JW_HRT

i guess this changes on all boards.

i visit many boards and some people suggest the old time favorite of min 250-300mg a week for 8-10 weeks of test cyp or enan for a first cycle

on other boards (most boards 500mg of cyp is the norm for the first cycle)

on this board i see a two sided thing some say 400-500mg test cyp for a first cycle and other say 600-750mg of cyp for a first cycle and i personally think that is outrageous

when a person does the first cycle they usually put on around 25lbs even with poor diet and tons of strength with dosages as low as 300mg of test cyp or enan.

it is much easier to up a dosage when something is not working than to drop a dosage when something is giving you WAY to many sides. just my .02

It can vary from person to person as far as advice goes...250-300 is way too low...that is an trt dosage which is not ideal for bodybuilding. 500 is the norm. I saw Vic recommend a dosage of 750mgs of cyp to a first timer. He is an icon in my eyes. I am just pushing the same info as him. Your statement about people gain 25lbs on their first cycle of test is outrageous. That just does not happen. Maybe if Dbol were involved but not test alone. You are correct however when it comes to uping a dose rather than lowering it.

I have done way more than this fellow and the current cycle I'm running is only 700mgs total between the compounds I'm on and it's working just as planned. I'm in the belief that for many of the less experienced guys 500 total per week is plenty. Some of the guys who offer these outragious doses have been doing big amounts for years. Not to mention some of my buddies on here weigh 265-300lbs. That is above what I would consider normal by most peoples standards. Smaller doses are safer and with proper diet and training work just fine.

Originally Posted by pyes

It can vary from person to person as far as advice goes...250-300 is way too low...that is an trt dosage which is not ideal for bodybuilding. 500 is the norm. I saw Vic recommend a dosage of 750mgs of cyp to a first timer. He is an icon in my eyes. I am just pushing the same info as him. Your statement about people gain 25lbs on their first cycle of test is outrageous. That just does not happen. Maybe if Dbol were involved but not test alone. You are correct however when it comes to uping a dose rather than lowering it.

man how can you say 25lb on a first cycle is outrageous?

and back in the day people used to grow like weeds on 250-300mg of test with around 20mg dbol that was the normal cycle back in the day.

i think one reason so many people got it in there heads about 500mg being a minimum is because of all the under dosed UGL stuff out there.

Originally Posted by JW_HRT

man how can you say 25lb on a first cycle is outrageous?

and back in the day people used to grow like weeds on 250-300mg of test with around 20mg dbol that was the normal cycle back in the day.

i think one reason so many people got it in there heads about 500mg being a minimum is because of all the under dosed UGL stuff out there.

With dbol yes, not test alone. and especially not 250mg-300mg a week....That is about what your body makes now natty. If that were the case you would not need test at all. the doc will give you, i heard as high as, 300mg EW for trt. That is a normal persons baseline. Essentially you are only really adding 2-3 more grams a week when you shoot from natty to 500mgs EW. So by people shooting 500mgs, they are basically doubling what they make natty. I think it has nothing to do with UGL's and underdosing. I would love for others to chime in. I am not flaming on you bud. This is all in good nature (^_^)

I have heard of people making gains off of 300mgs, but not significant gains. And certainly not 25lbs of lbm. If you can prove me wrong or other heavy hitting members come in and voice their knowledge and opinions discrediting me, I will personally rep you 5 times in a row (^_^)

Originally Posted by pyes

With dbol yes, not test alone. and especially not 250mg-300mg a week....That is about what your body makes now natty. If that were the case you would not need test at all. the doc will give you, i heard as high as, 300mg EW for trt. That is a normal persons baseline. Essentially you are only really adding 2-3 more grams a week when you shoot from natty to 500mgs EW. So by people shooting 500mgs, they are basically doubling what they make natty. I think it has nothing to do with UGL's and underdosing. I would love for others to chime in. I am not flaming on you bud. This is all in good nature (^_^)

oh no worries brother i do not take it as a flame,,, i am not flaming anyone either just having a good discussion were many will learn from both sides.

if 300mg of test a week is more or less what one makes natural then how come some users get sides like high bp and gyno on such a low dose?

if you look at my screen name you will see HRT on it, i work for an HRT clinic and HRT dosages will range any were from 100mg/wk to 500mg/wk so yes it varies from person to person and how long they have been on HRT/TRT.



But as a first bodybuilder cycle plenty of people have grown just fine with dosages under 500mg of test a week. Its a first cycle with vergin receptors people will grow. Man im young but i have many friends and back in the day people would pop one amp of test cyp/enan 250mg a week 12 weeks 20mg of dbol for 6 weeks and grow like crazy. Why would this not hold true now?

to the OP on this thread i am sorry if the thread has been hijacked by our discussion but im sure since you are new here you will learn some stuff from this.

Originally Posted by JW_HRT

oh no worries brother i do not take it as a flame,,, i am not flaming anyone either just having a good discussion were many will learn from both sides.

if 300mg of test a week is more or less what one makes natural then how come some users get sides like high bp and gyno on such a low dose?

if you look at my screen name you will see HRT on it, i work for an HRT clinic and HRT dosages will range any were from 100mg/wk to 500mg/wk so yes it varies from person to person and how long they have been on HRT/TRT.



But as a first bodybuilder cycle plenty of people have grown just fine with dosages under 500mg of test a week. Its a first cycle with vergin receptors people will grow. Man im young but i have many friends and back in the day people would pop one amp of test cyp/enan 250mg a week 12 weeks 20mg of dbol for 6 weeks and grow like crazy. Why would this not hold true now?

Cause of all the growth hormone in milk now a days! Like you guys said it varies from person to person, I don't see the harm in starting low. If its not working you'll know. I do however think 250mg/week test c is low considering the chain and everything I've read.

Originally Posted by JW_HRT

oh no worries brother i do not take it as a flame,,, i am not flaming anyone either just having a good discussion were many will learn from both sides.

if 300mg of test a week is more or less what one makes natural then how come some users get sides like high bp and gyno on such a low dose?

if you look at my screen name you will see HRT on it, i work for an HRT clinic and HRT dosages will range any were from 100mg/wk to 500mg/wk so yes it varies from person to person and how long they have been on HRT/TRT.



But as a first bodybuilder cycle plenty of people have grown just fine with dosages under 500mg of test a week. Its a first cycle with vergin receptors people will grow. Man im young but i have many friends and back in the day people would pop one amp of test cyp/enan 250mg a week 12 weeks 20mg of dbol for 6 weeks and grow like crazy. Why would this not hold true now?

300 is a bit high natuarally I think. The average mid 20's male probably produces about 120mgs EW..I was kind of exagerating. So you are probably right there. But what it takes to grow is individual. I still dismiss your 25lbs of LBM on a first time test only cycle. (^_^)

good thread here

man i had a buddy years ago taking 1ml of deca 50mg thats right 50mg they came in amps and he took one for 12 weeks first cycle ever and i injected him although i told him this was not a good cycle in my eyes. Well ind of the story he gained 18lbs after cycle he kept 10lbs and never lost those 10lbs ever

Ok, I went on trt 200mg per week 8 months ago and I can tell you from personal experance I did not gain 25 pounds. Maybe 5 pounds in 3 months and that's pushing it. Yes I did hit the weights eod . I did get stronger with little gains as far as muscle size. That's it. There's your personal experance account.

Originally Posted by ScorpionKing

Ok, I went on trt 200mg per week 8 months ago and I can tell you from personal experance I did not gain 25 pounds. Maybe 5 pounds in 3 months and that's pushing it. Yes I did hit the weights eod . I did get stronger with little gains as far as muscle size. That's it. There's your personal experance account.

Did you use steroids at all before in life?

Originally Posted by JW_HRT

to the OP on this thread i am sorry if the thread has been hijacked by our discussion but im sure since you are new here you will learn some stuff from this.

No problem; I'm all ears from here on out. I like the input and opinions. My intent is to make the most out of this cycle w/ the wealth of knowledge that you guys share.

Btw, the I have test enan 250. Depending on how this goes, i plan on doing a couple of cycles a year.