Thread: First stack what u think.

No, it does not sound OK. You need testosterone in any cycle. Test is a base for any cycle. So you start with test, then add the others like var or winny. When using winny you may not have to use an AI, but it is good to have it on hand just incase. You also need a PCT like clomid. If this is your first cycle, test only is standard. Your second cycle you can throw in winny or var.

really? o.k. im scared of test. and i just wanna lean up.with test comes anti est.and all that correct? if i was to add test to my 50 winny 40 var and 40 clomid wat dose of test would you suggest. and how to add it in?

i meant clen. not clomid sorry.

Originally Posted by gavobioix

really? o.k. im scared of test. and i just wanna lean up.with test comes anti est.and all that correct? if i was to add test to my 50 winny 40 var and 40 clomid wat dose of test would you suggest. and how to add it in?

You will probably need ''all that'' with winny and var as they will shut you down too.
That is way too many compounds to run on your first cycle. If your body does not agree with any of them, you will not know which one it is. And you will make great gains off of test only. Here is the very most basic cycle.

Testosterone any ester (cyp or enanth is what most will recommend)
500mgs EW

Aromasin or arimidex (AI)
ED from day one until your pct starts

Clomid (pct)
standard is about 100/75/50/50

You will definitely need these no matter what you choose to do. No ifs ands, or buts. Winny and var are not going to cut fat...they only dry you out and make you harder. If you want to lean out, try the above cycle and an ECA stack. ECA will burn fat and test will add muscle. Any more questions feel free to ask.

Clen is harsh and risky...ECA is better....Clen will stress your heart.

stacking fist will also stretch your rectum to the point of prolapse . . not recomended

To the OP. Winstrol is what I would consider a finishing compound and will only be effective IF you have very low BF%. What you think pyes? You agree. Also as was stated test is the base to any cycle. Anavar is very weak and slow going but will eventually add to strength gains IMO. I may toss in some winstrol in my current cycle but for differant reason than what you are thinking. Firstly, I have it, it's old and needs to be used AND it has a slight anti estrogen effect. I will ofcourse have to take it orally even though it's in a big vial. Oral only cycles arent a good idea but even moreso with the two you picked and your current BF%. Just saying. Not ragging on ya buddy. We'll help you put together something that will be much better. Take pyes example thats basic and very effective.

Winny will in fact have better results, the lower your bf% is. It will not make you lose fat however. It will only make you look dehydrated and dry with harder muscle.

Originally Posted by gavobioix

ive researched ,by web surfing anavar and winstrol stack and with so much conflicting info its hard to get a true read. but im going through with 40mg var and 50mg winny with 40 mg clen for 8 weeks. i neeed to get some milk thistle since this is a hard stack on the liver (all oral).im 6'1 230 w 14-18% bf. 30 yrs old workin out for 2 years all natrual. im big enough and wanna cut it up now. i eat clean and alot. plan on keeping the same diet and workout. i wont need an estrogen blocker with this correct? nad otherwise does this sound ok? thanx.

are u sure about the mgs on clen, clen comes dosed in mcgs, ive run clen many times and i would never go over 200mcgs a day. and i would suggest the liquid much more than the tabs, u better had been taking some benadryl everynight before bed if u dont want to wipe ur receptors out and running anavar unless ur preppin is sure to break the wallet in half. some good stuff but pretty expensive to not be in a prep. and i would defenitely agree with running test rather than any of that, get u some test e or c and eq and call it a day.

Originally Posted by gavobioix

really? o.k. im scared of test. and i just wanna lean up.with test comes anti est.and all that correct? if i was to add test to my 50 winny 40 var and 40 clomid wat dose of test would you suggest. and how to add it in?

you should be more scared of winstrol than test

You should listen to pyes and Roaddkingg. They speaks the truth!