Thread: Back to the Basics

Welcome to IM.

How many calories are you eating and what does your training look like?

u seem to have done ur homework. I will let the more experience talk to u . but most do preloader till test kicks in . and oral DMZ is what i used but im sure others will tell u what they did . and also oral after cycle . Dbol is all good stuff ! but reppin for doing ur homework at least.

Did u have pic per chance to go ahead adn post and work out routine and diet so it can get looked over so u have the best gains

First I want to commend you for keeping it simple AND making sure you have all items in hand before starting. A few things I may suggest though. I didnt notice you speaking of a ai during cycle. You need that also my friend from day one. You might try arimadex and since you are being smart and keeping this cycle simple I think .5mgs EOD should do the trick. Also I notice you are planning to take 1000 iu's total of HCG weekly. I feel that 250 iu's 2x wkly should be ok for this cycle. This needs to be started the second but no later than the third week and run right up until day before PCT starts. I think your also being smart to have nolvadex and letrozole on hand. Most likely you wont need either but it's best to be safe and have them. Do you have your PCT with clomid all figured out? For 500 mgs test for 12 weeks a clomid PCT of something like this should suffice. Week 1 100mgs per day, wk 2 75mgs per day and the following two 50 mgs per day. Four weeks total and as long as you have been doing your HCG throughout you should have a easy recovery and since it's your first real cycle of injectables you should be really pleased with the results. A short d-bol kicker could be a good idea but thats totally up to you. The main reason guys do it in the first place is to see immediate gains while they are waiting for their test to kick in. I cant take much d-bol myself as it causes me to have a tit flare up no matter how small the dose. You have to remember it aromatizes real easy and fast and thats what causes some people like me to have issues. I hope this helps you my canadian friend. If you have any other questions just put them out and there are a bunch of guys myself included that will be glad to assist.

As I was re-reading my post I noticed I forgot to mention about clearing time. But I'd imagine you already know this. But with test E you should wait 14 days after last pin to start your PCT. It's during the first two weeks and the two weeks while esters are clearing where some find it benificial to use a oral. But as I said thats up to you and does cause problems for some. If your patient in the beginning you dont need it and if your not greedy and want(expect) more in the end you really dont need it there either. But some folks want to push it, thats up to you. Good luck to you and be safe. Read up on pins and sites to make things go easier for you. Test E is generally pretty smooth. Pins 2x wkly are best to keep levels as stable as possible. Mon-thurs is popular.HCG is the day before each pin.

No need for dbol on your first "real" cycle. You'll LOVE the gains from test.
I wouldnt use letro on-cycle as my AI, its too harsh...ldex or stane would be better, imo.
And hcg is not really needed for a 10 week cycle, but its up to you. My first two cycle I were just test and I ran no hcg, balls shrunk a little but they came back lol

I think as a rule on first cycle only run test and adex. You want to make sure that you know how your body will react to the compounds. If you start with two or more steroids and have a bad reaction you won't know which one caused you the problems.

Originally Posted by ScorpionKing

I think as a rule on first cycle only run test and adex. You want to make sure that you know how your body will react to the compounds. If you start with two or more steroids and have a bad reaction you won't know which one caused you the problems.

I agree. Adex should do the trick. Aromasin if you want. I do think he can run a light kicker of d-bol, but I would keep the dose low. Nothing wrong with keeping just with the test. Like ScorpionKing said, it does have the advantage of knowing how your body reacts to the one substance. Kudos to the Op for planning ahead and getting feedback before you start.

Hey guys, thanks for all the replies! I forgot to mention I have arimidex in there as well. Should I go with .5ED? Going off what I have read I don't think I'll need to do a full 1ED. Right now, cal's are around 3500/day. I'll bump that up 500-1000 once I start the cycle. And thanks for the advice Roaddking, I'll drop HCG to 500/wk wks 2-10.

Too lazy to post my full routine tonight. It's a pretty generic 3on 1off with an occasional 2 day rest on weekends. I do a lot of compound lifts. Should I be doing more isolation exercises while I'm on? I'm thinking focusing on my compounds will yield the greatest gains...

And finally, I have decided against the dbol. I'm in no major rush, and I want to see how my body reacts to plain ol' test E!