cycle advice

**Valkyrie** · 10-20-2010, 11:31 AM

hey all, im looking for cycle suggestions. I want dry lean gains. not big wet gains like dbol/test results. iv done a test E only cycle at 500mg/week and hated it cuz i got all big n puffy and everyone knew i was on which isnt cool. iv also done a EQ only and a Dbol only... so PLEASE dont come at me with "oh u need to add test to ur cycle", no. like i said i want lean dry gains, i only want to get more toned maybe gain a few pounds. not trying to blow up so fast everyone n thier grandma can tell im on a cycle. i was thinking either a tren/EQ cycle or a EQ/var cycle... PCT with nolva of course.. if i look stupid please dont bash cuz thats just annoying for everyone but constructive critisism is prolly necessary.. thx.

**Marat** · 10-20-2010, 11:52 AM

Welcome to IM.

You don't need steroids to gain a few pounds and drop some fat. Head over to the Diet/Nutrition section.

**pyes** · 10-20-2010, 12:14 PM

2000mgs a week of tren and 1500mgs of EQ....no need for AI and pct because that is only a myth, just like adding test to every cycle.

**Valkyrie** · 10-20-2010, 12:17 PM

thx for the reply n advice but i guess i didnt specify that i want the hardness and straitions that supps n diet dont provide. not saying ur prolly right but i go want to grow, few meaning not a huge 15-20lbs like a test cycle.. thats why im concidering only var cycle for its "safety" n hardening traits..? does that make sense?

**Valkyrie** · 10-20-2010, 12:19 PM

woah, 1500mg of EQ and 2000mg tren. thats ridiculous.

**pyes** · 10-20-2010, 12:21 PM

No it does not make sense....If your diet is right, you will not gain 20lbs off of test. I am willing to bet your diet is off and you were not taking an AI. That is why you were so puffy like p. diddy

**pyes** · 10-20-2010, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Valkyrie

woah, 1500mg of EQ and 2000mg tren. thats ridiculous.

So is your OP. I was trying to make a point.

**cavtrooper96** · 10-20-2010, 12:54 PM

Whoa is this guy for real?

**pyes** · 10-20-2010, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by cavtrooper96

Whoa is this guy for real?

Sadly, I guess so.

Look buddy. 99% of people here will tell you every cycle needs a test base. It is just plain negligent to not have a test base.

**Valkyrie** · 10-20-2010, 01:34 PM

Lol okay guy

. relax. Im clearly a newb. OP? dont know wat that is

. sure i need to do more research. but instead of being a turkey, how about u enlighten me.. isnt this fair? what do u suggest?????

**njc** · 10-20-2010, 01:49 PM

Did you run an AI during your last test cycle?

**Valkyrie** · 10-20-2010, 02:17 PM

No i didnt run an AI... and let me clearify further. puffy, meaning slightly bloated and just not alot of tone. when i came off the test, the puff went down fairly quickly. i wasnt "puff" before or after the cycle. logically speaking, i dont believe that had something to do with my diet cuz i was eating the same plus more protien. I wasnt even eating badly... that was like two yrs ago tho n im alot more ripped from naturally eating right n exercise since but iv seem to hit a wall n im making no more progress, plain n simple... im looking to further change my Comp. yes i understand that u can do it simple proper diet, n excercise naturally. i just want to speed up the process, obviously.

**Valkyrie** · 10-20-2010, 02:19 PM

and wat the hell is an OP?????!!

**njc** · 10-20-2010, 02:21 PM

If you ran an AI you wouldn't have bloated anywhere NEAR as much.

OP, depending upon the context of the conversation, means either "original poster" or "original post."

**Valkyrie** · 10-20-2010, 03:22 PM

oh ok thank u sir.
anyways, can anyone give me an appropriate cycle suggestion, or no?

**VictorZ06** · 10-20-2010, 03:42 PM

Not sure you are ready for one, but here is a basic program....tried and proven. Diet is more important, if your diet is off....no program will work. If you follow the program I outlined for you below AND if your diet is on point, you will sure to see gains.

500mg test enan 1-12 (shoot 250mg Mon & Thrs)
1000iu HCG 1-12 EW (some will argue 500iu is enough...your call)
Arimidex .5mg EOD 1-19 (some will tell you to stop when PCT begins or ends....your call, some will say .5mg E3D...or use aromasin)
Clomid 200mg day one and two, (4 weeks = 100/75/50/50 some will have slightly different protocols)

Done.

/V

**Valkyrie** · 10-20-2010, 05:00 PM

ok see thats wat i needed, thx Victor!

i still have a few questions tho.. 1000iu HCG for 12 weeks right. this maybe stupid but if is get 3amps X 5000iu, how much do i need for this particular cycle? and how often do i inject, like every 5 days or wat? also can i mix the HCG into one of my weekly test injections or do i have to do seperate shots?

also, if HCG helps stimulate endogenous testosterone production, why couldnt u just replace test with HCG during a tren cycle?? and since Arimidex lowers estrogen side effects, will it provent the puffy face/cheeks look?

thx again for the advice

**Valkyrie** · 10-20-2010, 05:02 PM

can u use a 27g needle with these injectables or is that too small?... not REALLY trying to have gimp walk all day after the shots.. but if its wats gotta be done then so be it but jus curious..

**Buzzard** · 10-20-2010, 08:16 PM

1) HCG- 500iu 2XW. You have enough for 15 weeks dosed this way. Don't reconstitute ur hcg until you're ready to use it. And keep in the fridge.

2) adex- yes, it should help keeping the water off.

3) Most (including me) would say that 27g pins are too small. I use 23 or 25g.

**Valkyrie** · 10-20-2010, 09:08 PM

thx alot buzzard. just to clearify tho ur saying 3amps X 5000iu of HCG is enough for a 15 weeks cycle?

About the needles, im pretty sure thats the guage i used last time i did test. damn

i didnt like those at all lol i would be sitting there for like 5 minutes trying to gain my composure before each shot. but i only injected into my quads. thinking this time ima alternate quads n delts. maybe throw some tri's in the mix. but i dont think im ready for the tri's just yet. shit, Victor says im not ready for any of this but hey, wat can i say, im hard headed

**chronicelite** · 10-20-2010, 09:12 PM

I always use 25g for gear. Especially since I don't want to rush my Tren injections LOL

**cavtrooper96** · 10-20-2010, 09:15 PM

Who the fuck is Victor?

**Valkyrie** · 10-20-2010, 09:30 PM

cavtrooper96, victor is "victorZ06".. u know, one of the guys that decided not to be a douche bag n actually be kind enough to give some advice to someone in need... not you, CHIEF!

**Valkyrie** · 10-20-2010, 09:50 PM

If HCG helps stimulate endogenous testosterone production, why couldnt u just replace test with HCG during a tren cycle??

**MDR** · 10-20-2010, 10:14 PM

I see you have been asking questions for about 10 hours. The stickies at the beginning of the Anabolics section will help you with a lot of what you need to know. You might want to take a look and come back after doing a bit of research on your own. Lot of great information on this site.

**chronicelite** · 10-20-2010, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by Valkyrie

If HCG helps stimulate endogenous testosterone production, why couldnt u just replace test with HCG during a tren cycle??

Sounds like a fair argument actually....

**Valkyrie** · 10-21-2010, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by chronicelite

Sounds like a fair argument actually....

i mean yea it really is.. its logical to say that u could do that.. i mean yea sure ur test would be higher when using test during a tren cycle but if HCG does the required, why use test.. plus isnt tren just so much better anyway? and if u were to say do a tren/test/hcg cycle, wouldnt that be alot harder for ur natural system to recover than just a tren/hcg cycle?

**Valkyrie** · 10-21-2010, 08:40 AM

has anyone exprienced increased vascularity with test only. looking for increased vascularity in my cycle, which is why i considered tren at the beginning cuz i heard its strength, vascularity n size with tren. iv tried a tren pH a while bak n got some great vasc/size/strength goin. i had very minimal vasc with my first test cycle, but that was prolly due to the excess water retention due to not using the adex, which is why im asking. If a tren pH got me good im obviously very curious in the results of the real deal.

so something like..

75mgs Tren A (ED or EOD 1-12wks)
300mg test enan 1-12wks (shoot 150mg Mon & Thrs)
1000iu HCG (1-12 EW)
Arimidex .5mg (EOD 1-19)
Clomid 200mg day one and two, (4 weeks = 100/75/50/50)

or is this just stupid?

**MDR** · 10-21-2010, 09:57 AM

More Test.

**cavtrooper96** · 10-21-2010, 12:38 PM

Im just a douche bag to people that dont read the stickies or use the search feature.

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