Thread: First cycle

if your going to run deca bump the sust dosage up to 1cc twice a week. IMO though for a first timer just go with the SUST at 1.5cc a week and hold off on the deca until a later cycle.

^^^^^^^ +1....good advice.......remember you also need a pct and ai.

I have PCT I'm running HCG and nolva after the cycle

nolva won't do anything for deca. sorry bud. deca is a progestin. i would just drop the deca all together. that way you will know what the sustanon alone will do to you. Just bump it up to 500mg per week. nolva will do fine for that

nolva is not the best pct...clomid is standard.....also HCG should be ran with your test, not in the pct.

everyone here is right esp about the pct. of course u will grow from 1cc a week...something is better than nothing right? trade one of ur buddies ur bottle of deca for another bottle of sus and roll with that haha. i would bump it from 1cc to like 1.5cc to 2cc a week. i realize u dont have that much gear but its better to do it right than wrong. a 10 week cycle of 1 cc is better than nothing but a 10 week cycle of 2cc is more appropriate and will yeild the results ur prob thinking u will get. but hey ur a newbie experiament and see what happens thats how most of us learned.

Originally Posted by pyes

nolva is not the best pct...clomid is standard.....also HCG should be ran with your test, not in the pct.

Some think clomid is better but others dislike it due to the fact it makes them....Emotional. Think thats a good word for it. In my opinion nolva will do just fine for a light beginners cycle of 500mg/week. Plus he already has it, so why not run with it?? I was just merely pointing out that it will do nada for deca

Why should i drop the deca?

Originally Posted by brandon123

Some think clomid is better but others dislike it due to the fact it makes them....Emotional. Think thats a good word for it. In my opinion nolva will do just fine for a light beginners cycle of 500mg/week. Plus he already has it, so why not run with it?? I was just merely pointing out that it will do nada for deca

Nolva decreases your igf-1 and hgh lvls which is not ideal for pct. Also people dislike clomid because at higher doses is gives you light trails...they can usually deal with the mood swings.

Originally Posted by gymratt

Why should i drop the deca?

Because it is your fist cycle, it does not mix with nolva, and you do not have enough of either compound for a good cycle.

Originally Posted by pyes

Because it is your fist cycle, it does not mix with nolva, and you do not have enough of either compound for a good cycle.

Good advise. plus how would you know what was doing what to you if you never ran either one. Gotta crawl before you can walk

gym ...
trust the people posting . deca is unneccessary on first cycle . pin 500 mg twice a week and see how ur body reacts . u can do a post like dbol after if u can get it but first cycle keep it basic so u can build off of it ! adn find how ur body reacts

Nolva decreases your igf-1 and hgh lvls which is not ideal for pct. Also people dislike clomid because at higher doses is gives you light trails...they can usually deal with the mood swings.
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Took me a minute but i found the article i was lookin for.

"nolva does lower igf to an extent, but igf is important in the formation of gyno"

which may be one of the reasons why its good in combating it
Notice that i didn't say it was the best. But it does work for pct. If it didn't it wouldn't have been widely used in aas for over 20 years

Originally Posted by pyes

Nolva decreases your igf-1 and hgh lvls which is not ideal for pct. Also people dislike clomid because at higher doses is gives you light trails...they can usually deal with the mood swings.



Because it is your fist cycle, it does not mix with nolva, and you do not have enough of either compound for a good cycle.

Believe it or not clomid acts very similar in effecting IGF-1 levels negatively. However these studies are only in woman. Perhaps more research needs to be done with men, since alcohol effects woman and men in very opposite ways. So it's possible IGF-1 could be different in men as well with clomid.

Originally Posted by brandon123

Took me a minute but i found the article i was lookin for.

"nolva does lower igf to an extent, but igf is important in the formation of gyno"

which may be one of the reasons why its good in combating it
Notice that i didn't say it was the best. But it does work for pct. If it didn't it wouldn't have been widely used in aas for over 20 years

This is the reason some take both. I dont remember the exact length and dosage off hand. Ive tried both but not together. I have a much better PCT with Clomid than with Nolva.