Thread: Will this for work cycle 1?

well my two cents, I would do atleast 50mgs of dbol ED prob more, I would do Clomid wk 15-18 100MG first wk of pct and so on / 75 / 50 / 50 and for the pins, I would do a 23 guage, inch to inch and a half and ive nevr seen pins for sale by them selfs so just buy a box online, usually a hundred for around 20 bucks, that should last u a while. Hope that helps

Originally Posted by HardCharger_84

well my two cents, I would do atleast 50mgs of dbol ED prob more, I would do Clomid wk 15-18 100MG first wk of pct and so on / 75 / 50 / 50 and for the pins, I would do a 23 guage, inch to inch and a half and ive nevr seen pins for sale by them selfs so just buy a box online, usually a hundred for around 20 bucks, that should last u a while. Hope that helps

assuming ED stands for Every Day?

Just thought I'd add that different people react differently. As far as the D-bol, I'd try a lighter dosage and see how you react before jumping right into 50mgs a day. Try 30 for a bit and see how your body feels. You can always up it after a week or two.

yes I agree with MDR on that too, the amout of dbal to use. I just figured you had prob used it before and yes ED stands for Each Day

Originally Posted by suprfast

T3 12.5mg

Built recommended T3 but at a low dose, so why not. She could recommend camel piss and I would drink it, shoot it, pin it just because she said so.

How often for the T3?

12.5mg T3? That's wrong... T3 should be dosed in mcg's. So that dose is either WAY too high or WAY too low. I'd recommend 50mcg's/ED not going any higher than 75-100mcg's.

My comments are in bold. I have never done a cycle and my comments are based upon what I have learned.

Originally Posted by suprfast

12 week cycle
dbol kicker for first 4 weeks
Test C - 500mg twice weekly, evenly spaced(weeks 1-12)
T3 12.5mg
Clomid for PCT(I was told to start about 12 days after last pin)


Built recommended T3 but at a low dose, so why not. She could recommend camel piss and I would drink it, shoot it, pin it just because she said so.

How much dbol and how often?30 to 40mg ED.
How often for the T3?Not sure why you'd take this on a bulking cycle?
How much Clomid and for how long?100/75/50/50; 100mg per day first week, 75mg per day second week, and so on.
What size pins and how many should I get?1-1/2" 23 ga for glutes, 1" 23ga for quads and delts, and 1-1/2" 20ga for drawing. For quantity, add up your shots plus 10-20 for extra.


I was planning on ordering it all ahead of time while I lose about 10 more lbs. Is this fine? Of course. I would not start a cycle until I had everything in hand.

Anything I should change, add, delete? Might want to add hcg and aromasin.thanks again to Built and Jmo(and many others).

Originally Posted by suprfast

12 week cycle
dbol kicker for first 4 weeks
Test C - 500mg twice weekly, evenly spaced(weeks 1-12)
T3 12.5mg
Clomid for PCT(I was told to start about 12 days after last pin)


Built recommended T3 but at a low dose, so why not. She could recommend camel piss and I would drink it, shoot it, pin it just because she said so.

How much dbol and how often?
How often for the T3?
How much Clomid and for how long?
What size pins and how many should I get?


I was planning on ordering it all ahead of time while I lose about 10 more lbs. Is this fine?

Anything I should change, add, delete?

thanks again to Built and Jmo(and many others).

So this is your first cycle and its obvious you did not perform much research either in the Sticky's or going through the threads for the last few months huh? Because if you did, you would know that there are reasons people recommend running a single compound on your first few cycles. Run Cyp now, run Prop the next. The goal is to get these compounds into your system and see how your body reacts. If your pinning Test and running Dbol for the first 2-3 weeks and begin to have problems how will you know which to dose down or cut out? And the obvious thing that sticks out that you did absolutely no research is you have no HCG or AI listed as part of your cycle. There has got to be 100 posts in the last 2 months with guys laying out dosages for Clomid in PCT and recommending first cycles. I also know that there are quite a few posts about pins and syringes, recommended sizes for pinning certain body parts and even links to where to pin and how to aspirate.

And its obvious you haven't read any of my other posts where I ask what is best to start off with and they recommend very close to the following. I ask so I can get help not to be patronized. I am sure a lot of people post what they use to follow up a cycle but I am asking for me based on what I am doing. Don't be a dick, but thanks for the help, DICK

Originally Posted by aja44

So this is your first cycle and its obvious you did not perform much research either in the Sticky's or going through the threads for the last few months huh? Because if you did, you would know that there are reasons people recommend running a single compound on your first few cycles. Run Cyp now, run Prop the next. The goal is to get these compounds into your system and see how your body reacts. If your pinning Test and running Dbol for the first 2-3 weeks and begin to have problems how will you know which to dose down or cut out? And the obvious thing that sticks out that you did absolutely no research is you have no HCG or AI listed as part of your cycle. There has got to be 100 posts in the last 2 months with guys laying out dosages for Clomid in PCT and recommending first cycles. I also know that there are quite a few posts about pins and syringes, recommended sizes for pinning certain body parts and even links to where to pin and how to aspirate.

Originally Posted by suprfast

And its obvious you haven't read any of my other posts where I ask what is best to start off with and they recommend very close to the following. I ask so I can get help not to be patronized. I am sure a lot of people post what they use to follow up a cycle but I am asking for me based on what I am doing. Don't be a dick, but thanks for the help, DICK

No, I read a recent post from an asshole asking questions about topics that have been referenced and discussed in a number of threads over the last few months. Forget any of your "other" threads for a second and lets concentrate on your post and for what I responded to. You cannot start a thread named "First Cycle" and then not have your ancillaries listed, ask questions that should have been researched and answered previously.

And you obviously have been around long enough to know that if you post asking for answers to questions that have been discussed at to death, without any history, no ancillaries listed and even go as far as needing clarification of what ED means your going to get bashed a bit.

DICK

Originally Posted by aja44

No, I read a recent post from an asshole asking questions about topics that have been referenced and discussed in a number of threads over the last few months. Forget any of your "other" threads for a second and lets concentrate on your post and for what I responded to. You cannot start a thread named "First Cycle" and then not have your ancillaries listed, ask questions that should have been researched and answered previously.

And you obviously have been around long enough to know that if you post asking for answers to questions that have been discussed at to death, without any history, no ancillaries listed and even go as far as needing clarification of what ED means your going to get bashed a bit.

DICK

Glad we clarified that. Since we are both being dicks I can only imagine you and I having a slap fest of penis envy.

Originally Posted by suprfast

12 week cycle
dbol kicker for first 4 weeks
Test C - 500mg twice weekly, evenly spaced(weeks 1-12)
T3 12.5mg
Clomid for PCT(I was told to start about 12 days after last pin)


Built recommended T3 but at a low dose, so why not. She could recommend camel piss and I would drink it, shoot it, pin it just because she said so.

How much dbol and how often?
How often for the T3?
How much Clomid and for how long?
What size pins and how many should I get?


I was planning on ordering it all ahead of time while I lose about 10 more lbs. Is this fine?

Anything I should change, add, delete?

thanks again to Built and Jmo(and many others).

you didn't mention your bf% which should always be a factor when on cycle since the diet ultimately determines the gains of LBM and/or body fat. the current level of bf basically tells you the bodies current ability to metabolize and utilize nutrients efficiently.

1st cycle no reason to kick start with dbol...stacking on the 1st cycle teaches you nothing about how your body reacts to each steroid used.

Thanks Lam.

I am 212lbs and roughly 15-16%. My goal is to hit 190-195 before I even start and that should be me at a bf closer to 10%. Id like to buy it and have it ready for february(ish) as that will be about the length of time to drop the bf that low.

Ditching the dbol is fine(saves me money). I went off other people's threads but I guess that is my fault for performing too much research in the stickies and other threads.

This isnt something I plan to treat like a game. I have a serious approach about this since my health is in question if something is done incorrectly. While some of this might sound repetitive, i would rather be safe and flamed, then be sorry and hurting.

About first cycle and determining how your body reacts to what compound: specifically dbol and test e or c.

dbol has an immediate impact and the test e or c takes 2-3 weeks to start kicking in. Wouldn't you then be able to determine if the dbol is causing problems during these first couple of weeks? If no sides during these weeks and then at week 4+ you get sides, you could say it is the test, or no? So that begs the question, do possible sides begin very shortly after the first pin of test or around the time that it starts "kicking in"? Am I making sense?

Also, time and time again, everyone strongly suggests a test base in every cycle. So, if test is the base line, what is so bad about throwing in one extra compound for your first cycle?

Dbol at 10 mg a few hours pre workout works great for me, and no sides noticed. Instant strength and incredible pumps, lots of energy. You should have an AI (aromasin/novladex) on hand in case you need them during cycle. I take them anyway during to keep water weight down and just to be safe.

Originally Posted by muscleguys

Dbol at 10 mg a few hours pre workout works great for me, and no sides noticed. Instant strength and incredible pumps, lots of energy. You should have an AI (aromasin/novladex) on hand in case you need them during cycle. I take them anyway during to keep water weight down and just to be safe.

Nolvadex is a SERM, not an A/I.

Originally Posted by MDR

Nolvadex is a SERM, not an A/I.

Sorry, I think you're correct. But they do the same thing essentially, just through different mechanisms. Prevent gyno and water retention. Either should work for that, I believe.

I'd limit the cycle to 8 weeks also. I never see much in gains personally beyond that, and it's just wasting gear for myself. Shorter cycle = quicker recovery. Quicker recovery = less time between cycles. You're a month closer to starting your next one.