Thread: thinking about first cycle

Many things wrong with this. Post up your stats, goals and experience.

1) Deca should be run at least 200mg less than Test.

2) Do not use Nolva with Deca. That's a no-no.

No, no, no...

If this is your first cycle, stick with ONE compound: TESTOSTERONE.

It is strange you are worried about sides when it comes to 250mg test e/w vs 500mg test e/w.. and you want to run 5-600mg deca e/w!!

Stick with 500mg test e/w, pinned twice a week (monday & thursday for example). And do this for 10-12 weeks.

Use nolva if you have gyno symptoms.


You will see good results on that!!!


I can also tell you why mixing different compounds for a first cycle is bad; If you got gyno symptoms, how would you know if it was the test or the deca..? Those symptoms are treated DIFFERENTLY. Nolva is generally for test, not deca. You may be one of the unlucky ones when it comes to deca dick also. And as mentioned, you will grow A LOT on just test..!

I don't have any experience but just researching and reading about gear tells me your cycle is bad. I'll let the gurus really lay it down but:

Deca should stop 2 weeks before test (I think).
Test should be about 200mg/week more than deca unless you want limp dick.
Run hcg thru entire cycle.
Test needs to be increased to 500mg/week. Test at 250 isn't worth doing.
Need an AI like aromasin at around 12 mg ED or EOD.
Clomid should be 200mg first day, 100/75/50/50.

If you don't up your test then you run the risk of limp dick. Either lower your dose of deca to below test dose or get rid of deca altogether. No need to stack first cycle. See how your body reacts first then consider stacking, jmho.

To add to all of the above peeps that are correct... Beastdrol? Are you fucking kidding me? For you first time? Do you know anything about superdrol?

Test E or C 400-500mg 12 weeks
Nolva on hand in case AI isnt enough and use only to get under control then stop.
Clomid for pct 100/75/50/50 (many different variations here)
Aromasin or adex low dose

You will make awesome gains with this. If you just have to have an oral do Tbol or Dbol as a kicker first 4 weeks depending on your goals. You do not need anything more than this.

i know the consensus would be 500mg or more for first time and i think that amount for my age is not necessary. i was juggling deca or eq for first time. my first choice was eq but i know people that have deca so i might go with that. running hcg through your whole cycle can severley suppress hpta function, which is why i will only run it for 2 wks pct. if i was 30 plus then i would run test for 500mg ew along with aromasin and finasteride. but im not 30 plus, so i think a 250mg dose of test e,c, or susp will be fine with 400mg of eq ew. training intensity and nutrition are much more important than gear. anyway i figure why jump into the deep end if you have never swam before.

through the beastrol in there to see what people would say. i do not believe in using kickers for first time.

thanks for the advice.