PYES's next cycle....critique it please (^_^)

**pyes** · 11-29-2010, 10:08 AM

Okay fellaz....I am always giving advice, but now I need some (^_^)..I am planning my next cycle and I have an assortment of products...I'll list what I have and what I plan to do and then I will ask for opinions on gear usage.

What I currently have:
test prop 7000 mgs ( several vials 100mgs and 50 mgs)
test cyp 5000 mgs (2 10ml vials @ 250 mg/ml)
test enan 2500 mgs (1 10ml vial @ 250 mg/ml)
dbol 50 pills @ 50 mgs per pill
liquid arimidex 1 mg/ml @ 120 mls ( I also have another arimidex coming today, but not sure if it is liquid or pills)
Clomid pills 24 pills @ 50mgs
Nolva 100 pills @ 20 mgs

The cycle I planned on doing (progress in work and open to suggestions)
wk 1-5 Dbol 50mgs ED
wk 1-4 test p 75mgs ED
wk 1-10 test cyp and prop 700 mgs (350 2 times a week) I was going to mix them in the same syringe for each injection) ( so I would do: 1cc of cyp250, 1cc of prop/100....= 350mgs total)
wk 11-15 test e and test prop....(same equation as above)
wk 1-18 arimidex .5mgs ED or EOD depending on maintaining lvls.

Okay that is it....here are my questions....should I run the test cyp and e like that or should I find an equation to mix all 3 for 700mgs a week total?

what should I do for PCT since I do not have enough clomid? should I mix clomid and nolva? should I start with clomid and finish with nolva? what should I do?

The reason my gear is so assorted, is because i did not pay for any of it...I got everything basically for free!!! If you can put together a better cycle that makes sense, please do....thanx in advance for any and all feed back.

**MyK** · 11-29-2010, 10:26 AM

always wear clean underwear!

**pyes** · 11-29-2010, 10:28 AM

Thanx, ill remember that next time I visit your wife...ahahahahah J/K

**SloppyJ** · 11-29-2010, 10:29 AM

If you're wanting to do a 15 week why not use test c/e up to week 13 then just use the prop for 2 weeks until the longer esters clear out and then jump right on pct?

**MyK** · 11-29-2010, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by pyes

Thanx, ill remember that next time I visit your wife...ahahahahah J/K

lol. mixing clomid and nolva. never heard of that.... get moar clomid!!

**pyes** · 11-29-2010, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

If you're wanting to do a 15 week why not use test c/e up to week 13 then just use the prop for 2 weeks until the longer esters clear out and then jump right on pct?

That is not a bad idea, but I will have to see if i have enough of both to last 13 weeks and get close to my 600-700mgs/wk goal.

Originally Posted by MyK 3.0

lol. mixing clomid and nolva. never heard of that.... get moar clomid!!

People do it all the time, I have never tryed it, so that is why I need advice (^_^)

G3 · 11-29-2010, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by MyK 3.0

lol. mixing clomid and nolva. never heard of that.... get moar clomid!!

[/QUOTE]=People do it all the time, I have never tryed it, so that is why I need advice (^_^)[/QUOTE]

That's what I did my first PCT until I found out how much all you guys hate Nolva.

**XYZ** · 11-29-2010, 12:03 PM

Why mix the two different esters (prop and C)? Are you trying to front load the cycle?

**gearpig** · 11-29-2010, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

If you're wanting to do a 15 week why not use test c/e up to week 13 then just use the prop for 2 weeks until the longer esters clear out and then jump right on pct?

looks good like this best way to end a cycle with a short ester as pct can start soon just my thoughts

**pyes** · 11-29-2010, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by CT

Why mix the two different esters (prop and C)? Are you trying to front load the cycle?

To get up to 600-700 mgs/wk

I could do just cyp at 1.25cc for 312.5mgs. Thats 625mgs a week which is fine by me. That will give me an 8 week run....then what? switch to enan for another 4? Thanx for the feed back CT, you know i look up 2 u.

**pyes** · 11-29-2010, 01:22 PM

also, is it okay to kick start the cycle with dbol and prop?

**rippedgolfer** · 11-29-2010, 01:30 PM

Free gear huh? Lucky bastard.

**pyes** · 11-29-2010, 01:32 PM

haha i'll trade you some for cyp or e...lol...i would even throw in a free vial of prop for your troubles (^_^)

**rockhardly** · 11-29-2010, 01:32 PM

Prop is a shorter ester and cyp is a longer one. Wouldn't you have to pin the prop more frequently? Why not start and end with prop and run cyp thru the middle instead of mixing them?

**pyes** · 11-29-2010, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by rockhardly

Prop is a shorter ester and cyp is a longer one. Wouldn't you have to pin the prop more frequently? Why not start and end with prop and run cyp thru the middle instead of mixing them?

Rock...I am aware of how the esters work....I was more concerned with switching from e to cyp mid cycle. i will start with prop and pin everyday until the cyp kicks in.

**pyes** · 11-29-2010, 01:41 PM

My cycle above looks screwy because i was trying to hit the 700mgs mark...but no worries...as long as i am above 600mgs i will be happy. (^_^)

**XYZ** · 11-29-2010, 01:46 PM

Honestly, I would just run an 8 week cycle, here's why:

-Most gains stop at 8 weeks unless you add an oral.
-You've got enough gear to run 8 weeks with a long ester test, just keep it simple.
-In 8 weeks time, if you've done everything right you're going to be able to stay lean enough as to not put on too much extra fat. I don't know about you but I don't like getting too fat off cycle.
-At 8 weeks you really should take a week or two off to let your body heal up from the intense training.

That is just my opinion, it seems to work well for me.

**pyes** · 11-29-2010, 01:51 PM

So with what i have...what would you throw together? what would pct look like for such a short cycle? can I use prop and dbol to kick start?

**SloppyJ** · 11-29-2010, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by pyes

So with what i have...what would you throw together? what would pct look like for such a short cycle? can I use prop and dbol to kick start?

Week 1-6 Long ester test
Week 1-4 Oral of your choice
Weeks 1-3 & 7-8 Test Prop

Do the same PCT for 4 weeks.

Seems pretty short to me though.

**JCBourne** · 11-29-2010, 02:17 PM

Maybe i'm reading this wrong but test e for 4 weeks? That doesn't make sense.

**rockhardly** · 11-29-2010, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by pyes

Rock...I am aware of how the esters work....I was more concerned with switching from e to cyp mid cycle. i will start with prop and pin everyday until the cyp kicks in.

I know. Alot of what I have learned has come from you, CT, Vic, and a couple of others. I was just emphasizing where I was coming from.

Good luck.

**pyes** · 11-29-2010, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by GymRat707

Maybe i'm reading this wrong but test e for 4 weeks? That doesn't make sense.

yeah I was going to do test cyp for 8 weeks and switch to test e for the last four and wanted to know if that was okay and worth it.

**heavyiron** · 11-29-2010, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by pyes

Rock...I am aware of how the esters work....I was more concerned with switching from e to cyp mid cycle. i will start with prop and pin everyday until the cyp kicks in.

Not a problem at all ^^^

**theCaptn'** · 11-29-2010, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by CT

Honestly, I would just run an 8 week cycle, here's why:

-Most gains stop at 8 weeks unless you add an oral.
-You've got enough gear to run 8 weeks with a long ester test, just keep it simple.
-In 8 weeks time, if you've done everything right you're going to be able to stay lean enough as to not put on too much extra fat. I don't know about you but I don't like getting too fat off cycle.
-At 8 weeks you really should take a week or two off to let your body heal up from the intense training.

That is just my opinion, it seems to work well for me.

Either this ^^^^ or your other option is to find some more dbol for another run. 50mg ED for the last 4-5 weeks would kick things off again.

Saney has some spare dbols he may give you. His GF decided he wasnt going to be using Gears anymore, so perhaps talk to him

**XYZ** · 11-29-2010, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by pyes

So with what i have...what would you throw together? what would pct look like for such a short cycle? can I use prop and dbol to kick start?

1-4 50mg Dbol
1-8 750mg Test C / E
1-8 .5mg Adex (you can decide as to EOD, ED or E3D)
9-12 Taper the adex - the dose will depend on how you run it on cycle.
11- 100mg clomid
12-14 - 50mg clomid
1-8 500ius HCG

With a longer estered test it would be best to run the dbol at the front of the cycle. That's what I would do but ask some others, they may have a better idea. Your diet is really the make or break part of everything. I would add in 50mcgs of T3 to help with the fat gains but you don't HAVE to have it. Good luck!

**pyes** · 11-29-2010, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Not a problem at all ^^^

I was not sure that only 4 weeks at the tail end of my cycle would be enough for e to ''kick in'' or would it pick up where cyp left off.

Originally Posted by theCaptn'

Either this ^^^^ or your other option is to find some more dbol for another run. 50mg ED for the last 4-5 weeks would kick things off again.

Saney has some spare dbols he may give you. His GF decided he wasnt going to be using Gears anymore, so perhaps talk to him

Saney would not be doing me any favors...I did not help him out and he has no reason to help me.

Originally Posted by CT

1-4 50mg Dbol
1-8 750mg Test C / E
1-8 .5mg Adex (you can decide as to EOD, ED or E3D)
9-12 Taper the adex - the dose will depend on how you run it on cycle.
11- 100mg clomid
12-14 - 50mg clomid
1-8 500ius HCG

With a longer estered test it would be best to run the dbol at the front of the cycle. That's what I would do but ask some others, they may have a better idea. Your diet is really the make or break part of everything. I would add in 50mcgs of T3 to help with the fat gains but you don't HAVE to have it. Good luck!

As of last week, I am 7% BF so No worries with fat gain...My diet is pretty good and I will shed it if need be....I do not have HCG though. I can probably get some though...I have never used it but I would like to try it. Okay you say 750mg/wk cyp/enan....I assume you are referring to 1cc of cyp and 1/2cc of enan..2x a week..is that correct? If so, that would give me 10 weeks which i feel more comfortable about. (^_^)

That works for me.......One more question....should I get some milkthistle or something for my liver? i never have before when I took dbol....but I was young and nieve.

**brandon123** · 11-29-2010, 06:53 PM

Are you going to post pics before cycle????

**bigrene** · 11-29-2010, 07:22 PM

Enanthate and cyp is only like 2 days apart almost the same if your that concerned divide your enanthate (10ml) by x amount of weeks you plan to run cycle and then make up the difference with cyp that way you run them both all the way through just my .02 good luck!

**pyes** · 11-29-2010, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by brandon123

Are you going to post pics before cycle????

I have fairly recent pics in my album

**heavyiron** · 11-29-2010, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by pyes

I have fairly recent pics in my album

Do you stuff your shorts with a sock?

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