AAS in men 45 and over

**Glycomann** · 11-29-2010, 09:03 PM

I thought I would share what I've been doing and would like to compare notes with some of the older guys. Ok I've used AAS on and off since the mid 80s. I'm 49. I took a long break from my mid 30s to mid 40s. Now my use is more like modified TRT most of the time. I am legitimately on TRT or am suppose to be so so to speak. I don't do heavy cycles anymore. The sides are worse than they use to be when I was younger. I don't mess much with real heavy oral androgens or trenbolones either. Any of you older guys use Primobolan or 1-test cypionate? I'm going to give 1-T-cyp a go this coming summer I think.

I have used the following over the past 3 years:

Equipoise: mild but RBCs get high
NPP: great compound for older me
Masteron: great full fullness, feeling of well being and sex drive
Test C: great base
Test E: great base
Sustanon: greatest base can use more than other 2
Winstrol: great hardener and use with nolva stops joint issues
Anavar: mild but zero sides
GHRP-6: great but requires some personal experimentation. DATs stuff didn't work for me. Found my own way that works.
GHRP-2: same as above
GRF1-29: jury still out on this
hCG: a must, helps keep steroid hormones balanced
hGH: fun ride but don't like the CTS
letrozol: strong AI but dialed in with blood work
exemastane: jury still out on this
Tamoxifen: helps offset winstrol induced joint pain.
Clomephene: good for watching chick flicks and making tennis balls

Generally what I do is a long blast and cruise where the blasts are pretty mild. This usually lasts 9 months or so. After that I do a clean out for a few months and just deal with hypogonadism. During that time I generally do more athletics like grappling, running, drills, sprints, hills and lighter weights. After 9 months of AAS etc my joints are beat up. I find that 3-4 months off helps bring the joints back to health.

A few things to watch as we get older are red cells, hypertension and heart rate. Red cells, hemoglobin and hematocrit tend to get really high in middle age men on AAS so you older guys should watch it if you don't already. I donate blood every 8-16 weeks. That helps with BP and heart rate as well.

My doses have slide down the past couple of years. At 45 I was using 1.5 grams of AAS and maybe as high as 2 grams. I've slid down to no more than 800 mg total now.

My typical cycle might be something like this:

1-8 Test C 300 mg/w
1-8 Equipoise 400-500 mg/w
8-14 Test C 200 mg
15-22 Test E 300 mg/w
15-22 NPP 300-500 mg/w
23-26 Test C 200 mg/w
27-36 Test E 300 mg/w
27-36 Equipoise or Masteron 300-400 mg/w
31-36 Winstrol/Anavar mix 50-70 mg/d
37-52 taper, some PCT drugs and off

AI used throughout. GHRPs and GRF peptides used throughout with occational 2-4 week breaks. Somtimes I will not use orals at all and just stick with test and one inj anabolic. What are you older guys doing?

**VictorZ06** · 11-29-2010, 09:15 PM

Interesting post, thanks for sharing!

/V

**TooOld** · 11-30-2010, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

Interesting post, thanks for sharing!
/V

What Victor said!

**MDR** · 11-30-2010, 02:30 PM

I'm 44-so I'm knocking on the door. I enjoyed the post as well. Things to change and evolve as we get older.

**heavyiron** · 11-30-2010, 02:55 PM

I am 43 and pretty much run whatever but for older guys 300mg cyp weekly is a good cruise. For a blast I think 600-800mg cyp weekly with 200mg deca is a good combo.

**rippedgolfer** · 11-30-2010, 03:40 PM

Nice info. Thanks for sharing.

**Glycomann** · 11-30-2010, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

I am 43 and pretty much run whatever but for older guys 300mg cyp weekly is a good cruise. For a blast I think 600-800mg cyp weekly with 200mg deca is a good combo.

Yeah pretty close. i like a good test blast but reserve that for winter. I have oily skin and 800 mg test gets a little to much so I like to keep the test a little lower and use an anabolic. I know you are a test only guy Heavy for the most part other than joint support. I hear what you're saying though. Nothing quite like a good test bulk.

**GearsMcGilf** · 11-30-2010, 07:20 PM

Al needs to get in on this one. He's around 50ish and uses gears.

**heavyiron** · 11-30-2010, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Glycomann

Yeah pretty close. i like a good test blast but reserve that for winter. I have oily skin and 800 mg test gets a little to much so I like to keep the test a little lower and use an anabolic. I know you are a test only guy Heavy for the most part other than joint support. I hear what you're saying though. Nothing quite like a good test bulk.

Low dose accutane will do wonders for your skin, FYI.

**BigBird** · 12-01-2010, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

I am 43 and pretty much run whatever but for older guys 300mg cyp weekly is a good cruise. For a blast I think 600-800mg cyp weekly with 200mg deca is a good combo.

Is the Deca supposed to be dosed at about 2mg per lb of body weight? I read this in more than one place. If so, would the effects be noticeable for a 200lb guy taking only 200mg weekly instead of 400mg? Just curious.

**SloppyJ** · 12-01-2010, 01:17 PM

Awesome post! I wish more vet's shared their experiences with different compounds like you do. It's quite informative to us whippersnappers HA!

**heavyiron** · 12-01-2010, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by BigBird

Is the Deca supposed to be dosed at about 2mg per lb of body weight? I read this in more than one place. If so, would the effects be noticeable for a 200lb guy taking only 200mg weekly instead of 400mg? Just curious.

For joint support there are numerous studies that show 200mg of Nandrolone weekly is plenty (some studies are as low as 50mg weekly). For horsepower in the gym you can add more mg. 2mg per lb of bodyweight is a good rule of thumb for newer users of nandrolone who want extra performance in the gym but I would rather just up my testosterone dose personally.

**Glycomann** · 12-01-2010, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Low dose accutane will do wonders for your skin, FYI.

I'll look into it. I've seen a lot of guys complain of joint pain from it and I have some banged up knees.

**chronicelite** · 12-01-2010, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

I am 43 and pretty much run whatever but for older guys 300mg cyp weekly is a good cruise. For a blast I think 600-800mg cyp weekly with 200mg deca is a good combo.

So you always do the same blast, and you continue to get results from this dose?

If so, that is very interesting. I always figured dosages had to constantly be ramped up. Otherwise, switch the compounds being used.

**heavyiron** · 12-01-2010, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by chronicelite

So you always do the same blast, and you continue to get results from this dose?

If so, that is very interesting. I always figured dosages had to constantly be ramped up. Otherwise, switch the compounds being used.

No, I change things all the time however I respond really well to a gram per week.

**Gamer2be08** · 12-01-2010, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Low dose accutane will do wonders for your skin, FYI.

Yesss it will!! Like 10-20mg Ed

I would bump deca to 300, even for old fuggers though

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**chronicelite** · 12-01-2010, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

No, I change things all the time however I respond really well to a gram per week.

So would you say it's safe to say you shouldn't run the same cycle twice? Always change up something or up the dosage ?

**heavyiron** · 12-01-2010, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by chronicelite

So would you say it's safe to say you shouldn't run the same cycle twice? Always change up something or up the dosage ?

No, if a cycle is working for you it will likely work many times in the future.

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