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First cycle ?
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Yes first cycle

Age: 32

Height: 5'5"

Weight: 153lbs

Body fat: haven't had checked in over a year

Experience body building 6 months
Experience in gym through wrestling and grappling over a decade.

Goals: Mass

Originally Posted by Phetamine

I have read the sticky about new folks and cycles and had a question about a cycle recommendation by a board sponsor.

They recommend this:

Weeks 1-10:
Sust. 300mg/week
Deca. 250mg/week
Dbol. 20mg/day
Nolva. 20mg/day

PCT 2 weeks
Clomid 20mg/day for 1st week
Clomid 10mg/day for 2nd week

Nolva. 20mg/day for 2 weeks

My questions revolve around compatibilities and Nolva because I have been reading or interpreting that Nolva with Deca is a no no. So could any one say that this cycle is a good idea or that it's a pile of junk. Thanks in advance for the advice before I waste money.

1) Up your test to maybe 500 - 600 mg EW

2) 10 Weeks seems to be sure for a Deca cycle, but w/e

3) Using Novla with a 19-nor steroid can help cause Gyno.. Thats bad

4) and is that 20mg of Dbol for the whole 10 weeks??

5) For PCT, you should use WAY more Clomid.. and for longer than 2 weeks

6) I don't workout

Originally Posted by Dark Saney

1) Up your test to maybe 500 - 600 mg EW

2) 10 Weeks seems to be sure for a Deca cycle, but w/e

3) Using Novla with a 19-nor steroid can help cause Gyno.. Thats bad

4) and is that 20mg of Dbol for the whole 10 weeks??

5) For PCT, you should use WAY more Clomid.. and for longer than 2 weeks

6) I don't workout

OK so no Nolva, Aromasin would be a better choice then? For point 2 do you mean short? If so how long is an appropriate time to run it? How long is a good time to run Dbol maybe 4 weeks? And 100 clomid for 3 weeks and then 50 for the last week then? I knew there was a reason when they recomended this I felt uneasy about it the Nolva and Deca thing is what triggered my concerns, Thanks!!

Originally Posted by Phetamine

OK so no Nolva, Aromasin would be a better choice then? For point 2 do you mean short? If so how long is an appropriate time to run it? How long is a good time to run Dbol maybe 4 weeks? And 100 clomid for 3 weeks and then 50 for the last week then? I knew there was a reason when they recomended this I felt uneasy about it the Nolva and Deca thing is what triggered my concerns, Thanks!!

Yea.. Short, not sure.. shitty typos!!! maybe 14 weeks would be better.. If you're using a slow Deca (which you probably are) then it'll extend past those 10 weeks and you should keep running test for a while.. but don't listen to me.

and at least 100mg Clomid ED.. i'd go with 150 for a while, then drop to 100 for a couple weeks.. i play it safe, or i no PLAY!!

So reshape it like this?

Weeks 1-14:
Sust. 600mg/week
Deca. 250mg/week
Aromasin 10mg/day

Weeks 1-4
Dbol. 20mg/day


PCT 2 weeks
Clomid 150mg/day for 3 weeks
Clomid 100mg/day for 2 weeks

Much better

Should maybe I run the Sust a couple weeks past the Deca?

Yes

I usually suggest first timers to use test only, but if you decide to use deca as well, you have to take more precautions as you have a far greater risk for sides. NO NOLVA. Like Saney said, all you need is clomid and an AI. Run the AI for the entire time, perhaps a week past the end of your PCT. 20mg of dbol is on the really light side...I would start at 30 and take it from there.

Best thing you can do to this cycle is change test to enan or cyp.....not sust.

Clomid should be run like this. About 2 weeks or so after your last injection, run clomid for 4 weeks. Day 1&2 take 200mg. For the next 4 weeks, run 100/100/75/50.

Many of us use HCG to stop testicular atrophy, if you don't mind your balls shrinking to the size of raisins, you will need some. You should also go out of your way to find your BF%....getting some blood work done beforehand is also a good idea.


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Thanks I think I will take your advice. How about a cycle like this.

Weeks 1-14
Test cyp 500mg/week
Aromasin 10mg/day


Weeks 1-4
dbol 30-50 mg/day (starting at 30 and seeing where it leads me)

PCT
2 weeks after last injection
Clomid Day 1&2 take 200mg thenFor the next 4 weeks, run 100/100/75/50 for 4 weeks.

And for the HCG would you use it the whole time or during certain times.

That revised version looks ten times better. I assure you, you will be happy with the Test only. I'm on it now and love it. I've used sust years ago and the Test E I'm on is ten times better. Save the deca for a future cycle after a couple of test cycles under you belt. Good luck!

V comes thru again!

Originally Posted by rippedgolfer

That revised version looks ten times better. I assure you, you will be happy with the Test only. I'm on it now and love it. I've used sust years ago and the Test E I'm on is ten times better. Save the deca for a future cycle after a couple of test cycles under you belt. Good luck!

V comes thru again!

Thanks are you using the HCG? If so how often are you administering it and at what quantity (as in 5000iu amp are you using .1ml).

Originally Posted by Phetamine

I have read the sticky about new folks and cycles and had a question about a cycle recommendation by a board sponsor.

They recommend this:

Weeks 1-10:
Sust. 300mg/week
Deca. 250mg/week
Dbol. 20mg/day
Nolva. 20mg/day

PCT 2 weeks
Clomid 20mg/day for 1st week
Clomid 10mg/day for 2nd week

Nolva. 20mg/day for 2 weeks

My questions revolve around compatibilities and Nolva because I have been reading or interpreting that Nolva with Deca is a no no. So could any one say that this cycle is a good idea or that it's a pile of junk. Thanks in advance for the advice before I waste money.

If this is a Sticky then maybe somebody should get rid of it. Gonna really mess somebodys world up. IMHO

No that was suggested by a board sponsor. I think that they need to get kicked in the ball sack for suggesting a 19-nor and nolva together.

Originally Posted by Work IN Progress

If this is a Sticky then maybe somebody should get rid of it. Gonna really mess somebodys world up. IMHO

No it's not, I was trying to convey that a board sponsor had recommended this cycle as it it one of their "pre made" cycles they sell and after reading the sticky and the board found the information off which led me to ask directly about this cycle.