Thread: how would you guys cycle this?

stats cycle history. serms and ai.

Need more info on your cycle history and stats. You got some good stuff there and plenty of it but what's right for you might not be right for the next guy. Unless you are an experienced user, I would scratch the Tren. The EQ you need to run for min 16 weeks to take advantage of it. The amount of Test really depends on your past use.

First cycle?
if it is your first cycle 500mg test a week, you can add stuff later once you see how you respond and recover.

5ft10, 24 years old, 170lbs. iv done a few cycles b4 mainly test cycles my last cycle was 12weeks test-enth 500mg & boldenone 400mg with a dbol kicker.....

i have clomid & nolvadex for my pct. arimidex & proviron for the estrogen, i wil also use the arimidex for pct.

I would reccomend getting something AI wise for the tren if you decide to take it. Remember it's a 19nor.

Originally Posted by Aaza86

5ft10, 24 years old, 170lbs. iv done a few cycles b4 mainly test cycles my last cycle was 12weeks test-enth 500mg & boldenone 400mg with a dbol kicker.....

i have clomid & nolvadex for my pct. arimidex & proviron for the estrogen, i wil also use the arimidex for pct.

No need for an AI post cycle, estrogen wont be an issue if you use an AI during your cycle.
When androgens are low there wont be much aromitization anyway and it is not needed during PCT.
Lowering estrogen too low will compromise already compromised lipid profiles, can cause libido issues, stiff joints, and is not a good idea.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

I would reccomend getting something AI wise for the tren if you decide to take it. Remember it's a 19nor.

Tren does not aromatize so an AI wont be needed for any 19-nortestosterone drugs, now for the testosterone yes, bold, tren, no.

Originally Posted by hackskii

Tren does not aromatize so an AI wont be needed for any 19-nortestosterone drugs, now for the testosterone yes, bold, tren, no.

You know what I meant...

Parmi, Letro, Caber, Dost, for the tren.

[QUOTE=hackskii;2126091]No need for an AI post cycle, estrogen wont be an issue if you use an AI during your cycle.


arimidex also raises test levels so was guna add it for that not 4 estrogen

[QUOTE=Aaza86;2126095]

Originally Posted by hackskii

No need for an AI post cycle, estrogen wont be an issue if you use an AI during your cycle.


arimidex also raises test levels so was guna add it for that not 4 estrogen

Its not gonna raise it on cycle. You're shut down.

[QUOTE=Aaza86;2126095]

Originally Posted by hackskii

arimidex also raises test levels so was guna add it for that not 4 estrogen

Here is the problem as well.
Just 20mg of nolva ED will lower blood plasma levles of adex by about 27% and 38%.
Using nolva with an AI isnt needed, it lowers blood plasma levels, it wont do what clomid and nolva does post cycle, it drives estrogn too low and you cold turkey that you will get estrogen related sides from estrogen rebounding.

I am all for a good debate but an AI is not needed and most people that are good with PCT dont recomment them.

I can go into even more details if you like.

Using a prolactin inhibitor with a 19-nor isnt needed either, if you use a DHT dirivitive drug like mast, it opposes progesterone as they both can occupy the same receptor sites.
Another drug that can combat male patern baldness would be progesterone but many endo doctors dont like that idea as it pushes your hormonal profile more twards the femenine side.

500 test, 400 EQ, 200 tren would be awesome.
Use a low dose AI and thats it.
Too many people add too many meds to the equation when it isnt necessary.

[QUOTE=hackskii;2126106]

Originally Posted by Aaza86

Here is the problem as well.
Just 20mg of nolva ED will lower blood plasma levles of adex by about 27% and 38%.
Using nolva with an AI isnt needed, it lowers blood plasma levels, it wont do what clomid and nolva does post cycle, it drives estrogn too low and you cold turkey that you will get estrogen related sides from estrogen rebounding.

I am all for a good debate but an AI is not needed and most people that are good with PCT dont recomment them.

I can go into even more details if you like.

Using a prolactin inhibitor with a 19-nor isnt needed either, if you use a DHT dirivitive drug like mast, it opposes progesterone as they both can occupy the same receptor sites.
Another drug that can combat male patern baldness would be progesterone but many endo doctors dont like that idea as it pushes your hormonal profile more twards the femenine side.

500 test, 400 EQ, 200 tren would be awesome.
Use a low dose AI and thats it.
Too many people add too many meds to the equation when it isnt necessary.

thats sum important info man defo just stick wiv clomid n nolva for pct now ..... so if i take proviron while im takin tren this wil combat the progesterone side of things???

i have 20wks worth of test if i run it at that dose shud i run it all till its gone n run a very aggressive pct???

These quites are looking wierd, I am quoting other guys as myself...lol

20 week cycles are very supressive, I personally would not do more than 12 and here is why.
Lipid profiles would be compromised.
Adrenal burnout would or could be an issue with anxiety.
Recovery would be alot harder.
Blood pressure issues can and probably just might be an issue.
Probably would crash even with an aggressive PCT.

There are ways around it but getting in, keeping testicular function with the use of HCG during, getting out, then recover.
Then wait and do another cycle.

Use the AI during as this will keep estrogenic sides at bay and actually allow you to not be supressed as estrogen is about 200 times more supressive than testosterone.

Wow reps to hackskii cause when he said 20 week cycle all I did was facepalm.

Don't need to use everything in your tool box. Plus a tool box is cool. You can add stuff to it. I would do something like this.

1 Test E 500
2 Test E 750
3 Test E 1000
4 Test E 1000
5 Test E 750 Tren E 200
6 Test E 500 Tren E 400
7 Test E 500 Tren E 400
8 Test E 500 Tren E 400
9 Test E 500 Tren E 400 T-bol 40 mg/d
10 Test E 500 Tren E 400 T-bol 40 mg/d
11 Test E 500 Tren E 400 T-bol 40 mg/d
12 Test E 500 Tren E 400 T-bol 40 mg/d
13 Test E 500
14 Test E 500
17-21 PCT of choice

AI as needed. hCG 250 iu and 200 ug GHRP-6 EOD week 3 though 15. That's just me though. Thing is cycles aren't as cookie cutter as people think.

Originally Posted by Aaza86

5ft10, 24 years old, 170lbs. iv done a few cycles b4 mainly test cycles my last cycle was 12weeks test-enth 500mg & boldenone 400mg with a dbol kicker.....

i have clomid & nolvadex for my pct. arimidex & proviron for the estrogen, i wil also use the arimidex for pct.

IMO I think you should skip the Tren. You're only 24 and probably still produce a good amount of Test naturally unless you have blood test to show otherwise. I saw excellent gains from 25-28 years old using nothing but protein shakes. Tren is not for a novice user and IMO not even for the intermediate user. I believe it's for someone who has a minimum of 5-10 cycles of Test under their belt and no longer achieving good gains from Test. There are a lot of sides that come with Test but I've personally never touched the stuff. But with that said, I'm a novice user myself and have a total of 2.5 cycles under my belt in nine years. I would suggest doing a lot of research on Tren before you committ to using it. And even then, you may want to consider a short ester Tren so in the event the sides are too much, you can get it out of your system rather quickly. I think you should build something around the Test and EQ that you already have. Maybe increase the dose from your last cycle or maybe even keep it at the same level if you experienced good gains from your last cycle. My next cycle will likely be Test and EQ and maybe an oral like anavar and super dmz. Tren is like Test on roids, lol, so just be cautious before deciding. Just my two cents. Good luck bro and feel free to ask if you have questions. Hopefully a vet will chime in and help you build nice cycle.

One bad side from tren is high blood pressure.
Aggression is another.
Taking your wind from you and feeling hot all the time is yet another.
Supression is common with tren, but if the dose is low like 200mg a week then althouth tame by comparison would work well.

Highest blood pressure in my life was on a tren cycle, just off the chart stage II stroke range.