Thread: What would happen if...

I think you would loose strength and size but I think you could take legal supps work harder keep protein and calories up you wont be the same but still could have strength and size...

Originally Posted by rippedgolfer

You could no longer use gear. How much weight and strength do you think you would lose, if any? This is assuming you continue to follow a strict training and diet regimen. Only variable would be the discontinued use of gear.

That depends on your ability to recover your natural test levels.

I personally think you could be close to the same in size and strength, but you would have to vary your training and diet accordingly.

A very common problem I see when people come off cycle is they continue to train like they were on cycle and wonder why they feel like shit 24/7

Cortisol is your enemy when not on cycle, so you need to keep your workouts short. 45 min to 1 hour, preferably 3 days a week.

I have been able to surpass my previous lifts I reached on cycle when I was off cycle because I just majorly reduced my volume and took more rest between workouts.

JMO !!!!!!!!!!!!!! <----------------------------

My natty T last time I checked was 77ng/dl =(

I think I would be losing a ton of weight.

Originally Posted by chronicelite

That depends on your ability to recover your natural test levels.

I personally think you could be close to the same in size and strength, but you would have to vary your training and diet accordingly.

A very common problem I see when people come off cycle is they continue to train like they were on cycle and wonder why they feel like shit 24/7

Cortisol is your enemy when not on cycle, so you need to keep your workouts short. 45 min to 1 hour, preferably 3 days a week.

I have been able to surpass my previous lifts I reached on cycle when I was off cycle because I just majorly reduced my volume and took more rest between workouts.

JMO !!!!!!!!!!!!!! <----------------------------

What if the person has been using gear regularly for say 5+ years? I think maybe the novice or occasional user has a better chance of keeping weight and strength than someone that has used a lot of gear for a long period of time and is way above their genetic max. This is just an assumption. Not really sure to be honest. That's why I'm asking.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

My natty T last time I checked was 77ng/dl =(

I think I would be losing a ton of weight.

Yeah, those levels are WAY too low. But you obviously know that.

For those who DON'T know, optimal ranges are 500 to 1000 ng./dl. of total testosterone levels for men

Originally Posted by rippedgolfer

What if the person has been using gear regularly for say 5+ years? I think maybe the novice or occasional user has a better chance of keeping weight and strength than someone that has used a lot of gear for a long period of time and is way above their genetic max. This is just an assumption. Not really sure to be honest. That's why I'm asking.

I think as long as you are lifting as heavy, but with less volume and more rest, you can maintain what you've built.
How many times have you heard about people coming off a cycle and continuing to work out 6 days per week? It's too much!

The heavier the weights you lift, the more taxing it is on your CNS and the more recovery you need between work outs.
Rest and recovery is one of the most overlooked aspects of body building, especially for somebody when OFF CYCLE.

Also, diet is even more important when off cycle. Because certain foods trigger hormone responses. And when you are not providing exogenous sources of hormones, you production of them can be messed with more easily by diet.

Not to mention, constant exposure to Xenoestrogens

JMO <------------------------

Originally Posted by rippedgolfer

You could no longer use gear. How much weight and strength do you think you would lose, if any? This is assuming you continue to follow a strict training and diet regimen. Only variable would be the discontinued use of gear.

None...... if you take things slow and steady. Whenever I start a cycle, my main concern is having the ability to maintain my gains after cycle. If you do a modest cycle, eat like a champ, train hard, and rest, you still make excellent progress and it's easier to maintain your gains. It's also easier to get your natural testosterone levels back to normal, and once your test levels get back to normal, you can start making gains naturally. If you use this method, you may not get those insane gains from a large dose cycle, but it's easier to get your body back to baseline and maintain that new physique naturally.
When I come off a cycle, what works best for me, is focusing on doing the minimum ammount of exercises needed to maintain my strength. That doesn't mean a pussy ass work out, but rather shortening those long, insane intensity work outs. I no longer focus on making gains in this transition, but keeping as much of my newly aquired strength while my body returns to baseline.
If your test levels are naturally low, this method will not work. A cruise, blast cycle would be needed to maintain, then progress with muscle mass.

Staying where I am...no problem. Growing even more beyond my natural genetics...BIG problem. The only reason I use gear is to push past my natural limitations, so without its help, this would be extremely difficult.

The biggest thing I would miss would be the amazing pumps I get. There's a huge difference between natty pumps and aas-induced pumps. So, the decrease in pump is always more of a psychological battle but I have peace of mind that it's only a matter of time before I start my next round of supps.

I don't think it would affect me. Ask again in 9 weeks though.

Originally Posted by BigBird

The biggest thing I would miss would be the amazing pumps I get. There's a huge difference between natty pumps and aas-induced pumps. So, the decrease in pump is always more of a psychological battle but I have peace of mind that it's only a matter of time before I start my next round of supps.

Yes..indeed!

Originally Posted by heavyiron

My natty T last time I checked was 77ng/dl =(

I think I would be losing a ton of weight.

Mine is 81ng/dl bro.. I feel your pain... truly I do...

Originally Posted by chronicelite

I think as long as you are lifting as heavy, but with less volume and more rest, you can maintain what you've built.
How many times have you heard about people coming off a cycle and continuing to work out 6 days per week? It's too much!

The heavier the weights you lift, the more taxing it is on your CNS and the more recovery you need between work outs.
Rest and recovery is one of the most overlooked aspects of body building, especially for somebody when OFF CYCLE.

Also, diet is even more important when off cycle. Because certain foods trigger hormone responses. And when you are not providing exogenous sources of hormones, you production of them can be messed with more easily by diet.

Not to mention, constant exposure to Xenoestrogens

JMO <------------------------

Dude there is no fucking way the big guys will keep their mass if they come off cycle. They are way beyond their genetic potential. You can lift heavy and work your ass off but those guys are going to lose it, the genetics aren't there. The pros never come off cycle, if they did their career would be over, at the very least they'd lose a season.

Originally Posted by The Deuce

Mine is 81ng/dl bro.. I feel your pain... truly I do...

How old are you guys? Is it that low because of your steroid usage? Or is that more or less natural, maybe even what lead you to steroid usage?

Originally Posted by Life

Dude there is no fucking way the big guys will keep their mass if they come off cycle. They are way beyond their genetic potential. You can lift heavy and work your ass off but those guys are going to lose it, the genetics aren't there. The pros never come off cycle, if they did their career would be over, at the very least they'd lose a season.

Any guy that is that big has long lost his potential to have normal test levels anyways. He would have had to use upwards of 3-5g of Test per week.
Say goodbye to your balls.

That would depend on how your normal T levels are and how close to your genetic potential you are. If you quit gear and arent close to genetic potential you can still make gains.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

My natty T last time I checked was 77ng/dl =(

I think I would be losing a ton of weight.

Beat ys. Mine was 122 ng/dl.

Originally Posted by Life

How old are you guys? Is it that low because of your steroid usage? Or is that more or less natural, maybe even what lead you to steroid usage?

Early forties. Combination of age and abuse is my best guess.

My bf% will increase. I'll have to keep a stricter diet and do more cardio to keep at low %. Mass wouldn't drop by much, anywhere from 5-10 lbs. My strength will decrease but not a lot.

My first cycle was 11 years ago. To be honest I think I'll be healthier overall if I quit. But even knowing that, I don't want to stop. Its a lifestyle.