Thread: started test/dbo cycle .. show some love gents

What is your goal? Are you trying to put on as much mass as possible? Also, why did you say "can't eat more" ????

Aching in your muscles or in your tits?

Better get used to eating more cals. You are gonna need it in a few weeks if you plan for mass.

How old are you bro? 154? 15% bf doing a cycle? I don't know man. I would think you should wait. Honestly your diet is horrible for putting on mass. I don't know what your goal is but your diet isn't good for bulking or cutting. This shows that you don't know your nutrition very well, and until you do its not a good idea to use aas.

I'm your same height maybe half an inch taller, however I didn't start my first cycle until I was 188 with 8% body fat. I push myself as much as I could naturally and on my first cycle I blew up. I went up to 223 lbs. Why? Because I already knew what I was doing, I had a foundation and the discipline to execute a proper cycle. Aas are not supposed to solve your problems they are simply a way to supplement the foundation you have and help you achieve levels you probably couldn't reach naturally. Don't waste your money and time doing crappy cycles. Yes you might gain 10 lbs from the gear but you will mess with your body and you probably lose most of it when you get off and end up with a higher fat %. Do things right bro, or don't do them. I don't want to hate bro, I just give you my sincere opinion and advice. I hope you do what's best for you.

Originally Posted by stronger4ever

How old are you bro? 154? 15% bf doing a cycle? I don't know man. I would think you should wait. Honestly your diet is horrible for putting on mass. I don't know what your goal is but your diet isn't good for bulking or cutting. This shows that you don't know your nutrition very well, and until you do its not a good idea to use aas.

I'm your same height maybe half an inch taller, however I didn't start my first cycle until I was 188 with 8% body fat. I push myself as much as I could naturally and on my first cycle I blew up. I went up to 223 lbs. Why? Because I already knew what I was doing, I had a foundation and the discipline to execute a proper cycle. Aas are not supposed to solve your problems they are simply a way to supplement the foundation you have and help you achieve levels you probably couldn't reach naturally. Don't waste your money and time doing crappy cycles. Yes you might gain 10 lbs from the gear but you will mess with your body and you probably lose most of it when you get off and end up with a higher fat %. Do things right bro, or don't do them. I don't want to hate bro, I just give you my sincere opinion and advice. I hope you do what's best for you.

I agree. 154lbs 15% BF is no where near your natural limitations. You may get some good gains from your cycle due to the AAS, but you definitely would have gotten better gains if you reached your natural potential first.

All that said, you've already started, so I wish you the best of luck. Make sure to do some reading in the nutrition and training section of this forum and get as dialed in as you can while your on your cycle and especially during PCT.

Originally Posted by DarkHorse

What is your goal? Are you trying to put on as much mass as possible? Also, why did you say "can't eat more" ????

yes bro my goal is to put on as much mass as possible .
( bullking)
dude not all the time i can't eat more .. sometimes ..

the protien i take is mutant mass . 2scoops / 530 cals ..

cheers .

Originally Posted by Work IN Progress

Aching in your muscles or in your tits?

Better get used to eating more cals. You are gonna need it in a few weeks if you plan for mass.

aching in my muscels but today allright no aching any more ..

u r right bro i need more cals . am actually eating as much as i can .. beside , i got mutant mass protine which is high in cals ...

i drink 2 scoop after breakfast and 1 scoop befor bed .. and then after training shake protien at the gym .. 15 min later on BCAA 2 scoop .

Dude you took nolva for aching muscles??? Hahahaha

Dont do that.

And 20mg of dbol? That's weak compared to your 600mg of test. Go ATLEAST 30. 40 is good.

Actually I get good results with 30 mg. Good gains without getting any sides like getting bloated. 20mg is probably too low tho. But this guy shouldnt be doing aas so the least the better.

I dont know about anybody else but my tits never ached it sounds like a preety good starter cycle I would add deca half of what u r taking with test I would up the d-bol a lot more its only 4 weeks every cycle see what tis does. Your protein needs to be 1- 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight if you are trying to add calories try a gal of whole milk a day it has the protein and calories. Your workouts have to be hard but fast 30-45 min...

A gallon of milk a day? That's a lot of milk but I'm sure it will pack on some pounds

Yeah that's a LOT of milk I don't know if I would go that far. I put 1.5-2cups per shake which I normally have 2. And then maybe a glass with dinner. Maybe.

Unlike Neil on Sportscenter, Just because some is good, that doesn't mean more is better.

am 24 by the way ..

i have not mentioned that olives oil + butter is added sometimes ..

and half cup of rice with meal 4 ..

when i can eat more i add meal 5 which

2 turkey ( slices )
toast
4 x strawberry .

Originally Posted by Powodzenie

I dont know about anybody else but my tits never ached it sounds like a preety good starter cycle I would add deca half of what u r taking with test I would up the d-bol a lot more its only 4 weeks every cycle see what tis does. Your protein needs to be 1- 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight if you are trying to add calories try a gal of whole milk a day it has the protein and calories. Your workouts have to be hard but fast 30-45 min...

i do add 500ml before bed and am gonna up d-bol to 30mg/ ..

thanks ..

Originally Posted by stronger4ever

How old are you bro? 154? 15% bf doing a cycle? I don't know man. I would think you should wait. Honestly your diet is horrible for putting on mass. I don't know what your goal is but your diet isn't good for bulking or cutting. This shows that you don't know your nutrition very well, and until you do its not a good idea to use aas.

I'm your same height maybe half an inch taller, however I didn't start my first cycle until I was 188 with 8% body fat. I push myself as much as I could naturally and on my first cycle I blew up. I went up to 223 lbs. Why? Because I already knew what I was doing, I had a foundation and the discipline to execute a proper cycle. Aas are not supposed to solve your problems they are simply a way to supplement the foundation you have and help you achieve levels you probably couldn't reach naturally. Don't waste your money and time doing crappy cycles. Yes you might gain 10 lbs from the gear but you will mess with your body and you probably lose most of it when you get off and end up with a higher fat %. Do things right bro, or don't do them. I don't want to hate bro, I just give you my sincere opinion and advice. I hope you do what's best for you.

bro am not pretty sure my bf is 15% . it is approximation

i'll Weight today in the gym to find out my bodyWeight and bodyfat..

apreaciate it ..

Definately gotta up the D-bol to get the desired results. I didn't get typical D-Bol gains at 20 or even 30mg. Not until upping to 50mg did I notice the traditional and awesome D-bol gains. Also, good rule of thumb is NEVER begin your AAS cycle until you have everything you need ON HAND. I agree with other posters - build the best possible natty foundation before incorporating aas into your lifestyle.
Here's to hoping your Adex arrives...

Originally Posted by tomy2

am 24 by the way ..

i have not mentioned that olives oil + butter is added sometimes ..

and half cup of rice with meal 4 ..

when i can eat more i add meal 5 which

2 turkey ( slices )
toast
4 x strawberry .

How big are these slices of turkey? Doesn't sound like much. If it's the deli turkey, you need minimum of 6-8 slices for a decent sandwich. 4 strawberries aren't much either. Eat minimum of 10 and a banana. Check out the diet section. I think you should reconsider your diet. Doesn't look ideal for a bulk cycle if you want to put on mass. Use a calorie intake calculator such as Fitday and track your calories. You should be taking in minimum of 3,000 to 3,500 calories on cycle but preferably 4k+ on a bulk cycle. You might as well get the most for your money and do it right. You can always cut later.

Originally Posted by BigBird

Definately gotta up the D-bol to get the desired results. I didn't get typical D-Bol gains at 20 or even 30mg. Not until upping to 50mg did I notice the traditional and awesome D-bol gains. Also, good rule of thumb is NEVER begin your AAS cycle until you have everything you need ON HAND. I agree with other posters - build the best possible natty foundation before incorporating aas into your lifestyle.
Here's to hoping your Adex arrives...

You didn't gain any weight at 30mg. The first time i did 40mg the Second time i tried 30 and i still gain almost 1 lb a day. Did 30 not work at all for your or you just wanted faster gains? How much did you gain with 50mg?

This guy is under 160lbs. And if he really is @ 15% body fat then damn.. even at 5'6"... 20mg dbol should do something for you, 30mg might work even better but above that I don't see the need, you don't weight shit now. Honestly you taking anything right now is a bad idea.

You need to start drinking EVOO every day. Don't argue about it, start doing it. At least two tablespoons daily on top of what you eat now. Throw in peanut butter. Add beta alanine if you wanna get jacked like Capt'n

Originally Posted by stronger4ever

You didn't gain any weight at 30mg. The first time i did 40mg the Second time i tried 30 and i still gain almost 1 lb a day. Did 30 not work at all for your or you just wanted faster gains? How much did you gain with 50mg?

I did have decent gains on 30mg but 50mg gains were almost "too much." The 50mg were just more sudden and virtually overnight. Every one is different. Maybe my receptor sites were just too clogged therefore making 50mg necessary to acquire gains ordinarily attainable on 30mg. I wanted faster gains and 50mg was the only way I could get it. About 18lbs in two weeks and 27 lbs in 5 weeks on the 50mg daily dose.

Originally Posted by BigBird

I did have decent gains on 30mg but 50mg gains were almost "too much." The 50mg were just more sudden and virtually overnight. Every one is different. Maybe my receptor sites were just too clogged therefore making 50mg necessary to acquire gains ordinarily attainable on 30mg. I wanted faster gains and 50mg was the only way I could get it. About 18lbs in two weeks and 27 lbs in 5 weeks on the 50mg daily dose.

How much of it was water tho. The thing is that the more you take the more water you retain. I noticed that with 30 my abs were as good as they were at the beginning, which means the water retention was not as significant. I see how 50 make you gain more but its important to take into account fat and water to determined how successful that is. I would have gone with higher dosages but I couldn't get more dbol at the time.

At 30mg, my water retention was minimal. But I found that adding 25mg of Proviron ED kept my water retention under control with 50mg Dbol. So using Proviron with 50mg Dbol, the water rentention was nearly the same as if using 30mg Dbol on its own. This was ten years ago in my early-mid 20s so my body has changed a little since then. I'd probably retain more water nowadays with Dbol 30mg. Since the OP is 24 I thought he might have similar results based on his stats.

I dont drink a gal milk a day but he is 154 lbs he needs calories and weight
gain it will help and its not that expensive...

Originally Posted by rippedgolfer

A gallon of milk a day? That's a lot of milk but I'm sure it will pack on some pounds

Your are really not ready for gear.
I can guarantee you started because you weren't getting any bigger ?

Your 5'6 158'lbs . 15 Bf approximatly

Your diet sucks...i

You got to eat! I don't mean more good food. I mean eat to get big. Red meat, sausage, bacon, eggs, buffalo, Big Macs, Quad Stackers, whatever. You need kcals to grow. Eating clean is fine, but you need to be adding cheat meals at least EOD. I can't eat like Det all the time every day, so I use cheat meals throughout the week. I eat clean most of the week and then cheat a couple times a week or maybe just the weekends. It doesn't mean eat like crap (donuts, ice cream, etc.), but you need calories (not weight gain shakes... good hearty calories) to grow big. YOU MUST EAT BIG TO GET BIG!!!

Originally Posted by blazeftp

Your are really not ready for gear.
I can guarantee you started because you weren't getting any bigger ?

Your 5'6 158'lbs . 15 Bf approximatly

Your diet sucks...i

You got to eat! I don't mean more good food. I mean eat to get big. Red meat, sausage, bacon, eggs, buffalo, Big Macs, Quad Stackers, whatever. You need kcals to grow. Eating clean is fine, but you need to be adding cheat meals at least EOD. I can't eat like Det all the time every day, so I use cheat meals throughout the week. I eat clean most of the week and then cheat a couple times a week or maybe just the weekends. It doesn't mean eat like crap (donuts, ice cream, etc.), but you need calories (not weight gain shakes... good hearty calories) to grow big. YOU MUST EAT BIG TO GET BIG!!!

You forgot McRib bro! That will definitely put some pounds on you. I put on weight just looking at that damn thing.

I love how you threw in Big Mac, Buffalo and Quad Stackers...hilarious. I guess that's one way to get your point across.

WTF is a quad stacker? If it's a 4 pattied hamburgler.... I have nothing to say.

Originally Posted by sloppyj

wtf is a quad stacker? If it's a 4 pattied hamburgler.... I have nothing to say.

lmao!

Originally Posted by blazeftp

Your are really not ready for gear.
I can guarantee you started because you weren't getting any bigger ?

Your 5'6 158'lbs . 15 Bf approximatly

Your diet sucks...i

You got to eat! I don't mean more good food. I mean eat to get big. Red meat, sausage, bacon, eggs, buffalo, Big Macs, Quad Stackers, whatever. You need kcals to grow. Eating clean is fine, but you need to be adding cheat meals at least EOD. I can't eat like Det all the time every day, so I use cheat meals throughout the week. I eat clean most of the week and then cheat a couple times a week or maybe just the weekends. It doesn't mean eat like crap (donuts, ice cream, etc.), but you need calories (not weight gain shakes... good hearty calories) to grow big. YOU MUST EAT BIG TO GET BIG!!!

I don't know bro, i think it depends on the individual. Personally junk food doesn't sit too well in me. Actually it sits right in my belly and stays there. I think his diet is just lacking calories and real food but I wouldn't touch the junk food unless I couldn't grow eating clean.

This is exactly why he isn't ready, he hasn't figured a diet that will help him grow naturally, gear is not going to do the miracle.

Calories are calories. Especially when you weight that little.