Thread: Winny...oral or injection???

Injection .

Oral
Stressing the liver tends to work better.
Injectable winstrol has a high incidence of abbess compared to other gears.



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Originally Posted by hackskii

Oral
Stressing the liver tends to work better.
Injectable winstrol has a high incidence of abbess compared to other gears.



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They say the synergistic effect is better with the oral...that's why I made this post..thinking of adding it for my next cycle...thanks for any feedback

Originally Posted by hackskii

Stressing the liver tends to work better.

^^^I found that very interesting ^^^... I would think stressing your liver works better.. at killing you. Besides Orals are not as effective.

When you inject there is a risk you could get abbess but when you take orals you can be sure you're fucking up your liver.

I've done both and prefer the injectable. FYI, you can take the injectable orally as well.

Originally Posted by stronger4ever

^^^I found that very interesting ^^^... I would think stressing your liver works better.. at killing you. Besides Orals are not as effective.

When you inject there is a risk you could get abbess but when you take orals you can be sure you're fucking up your liver.

If you get the same bang for your Buck...saving the liver sounds nice...if that's the case just wondering why so many people choose oral over inject.

Originally Posted by cutright

If you get the same bang for your Buck...saving the liver sounds nice...if that's the case just wondering why so many people choose oral over inject.

Probably because it is cheaper bro. I've got much better results from the injectable doing a much lower dosage. Besides I don't see where it says most people prefer orals, maybe those afraid of needles. I don't think there is doubt that injectables are much more effective than orals in general.

Originally Posted by stronger4ever

Probably because it is cheaper bro. I've got much better results from the injectable doing a much lower dosage. Besides I don't see where it says most people prefer orals, maybe those afraid of needles. I don't think there is doubt that injectables are much more effective than orals in general.

What did you find to be the most effective dose with the injection

Unless you are very lean I would find something else to stack with some test. Usually used for precontest

Originally Posted by cavtrooper96

Unless you are very lean I would find something else to stack with some test. Usually used for precontest

^^^This is also true.^^^

I prefer all injectable cycles. Orals are only if I need a little extra something.

Use oral and save yourself a lot of pain and headache of injecting. I took oral a few years ago and got pretty jacked on it. Never did injectable but all reports say it's very painful.

Originally Posted by GMO

I've done both and prefer the injectable. FYI, you can take the injectable orally as well.

Wait, what the hell? I don't get the point of taking an injectable orally. Could you clarify what you mean by that? I thought that orals were specifically designed to not be broken down by your liver and digestive system.

You can drink your injectable winny. Not sure how it effects it's potency though.

Nitrogen retention will be significantly higher with the injectable version. However, the injections are painful (short-lived discomfort). I've only experienced the oral winny (50mg ED) and it made my skin tighter and muscles went from hard to rock hard. Joints did hurt though until I added Deca to the stack. I don't think you need to inject it everyday as I've heard/read EOD will suffice.

just drink the injectable lol

Originally Posted by Crank

just drink the injectable lol

This is the way I use it. I've done it both ways with no noticiable difference in results;both worked.By the way liver stress is inevitable with winnie no matter if you inject or drink it.

Originally Posted by dave 236

This is the way I use it. I've done it both ways with no noticiable difference in results;both worked.By the way liver stress is inevitable with winnie no matter if you inject or drink it.

i used to believe that but its not quite true.

Im pretty sensitive to tabs and taking 50 mg of winny tabs ed will have my liver act up within 2-3 days.

with inj, and especially desma ive been taking it for now a month at 1 amp ed, and i have no liver or gastrointestinal issues whatsoever.

I believe it has to do with the amount that is available to the liver to break down at a given time, tabs hit you with the full 50 mg, while (since inj desma is supposed to be long acting - at least according to the instruction leaflet!) the inj is slowly released over time so the liver has an easier time to deal with and deactivates much smaller amounts at a time.

This is the only logical explanation really.

the orals dont give me same results....

WTF???? COME ON YOU GUYS.

Half of you have no idea. You can drink the injectable, and there is ZERO difference between the solid tabs and the injectable liquid....NONE.

Originally Posted by BigBird

Nitrogen retention will be significantly higher with the injectable version. However, the injections are painful (short-lived discomfort). I've only experienced the oral winny (50mg ED) and it made my skin tighter and muscles went from hard to rock hard. Joints did hurt though until I added Deca to the stack. I don't think you need to inject it everyday as I've heard/read EOD will suffice.

FYI - The half life is 9 hours, you need to dose it ED. Where did the information come from about nitrogen retention? Just curious.

Originally Posted by Vibrant

Wait, what the hell? I don't get the point of taking an injectable orally. Could you clarify what you mean by that? I thought that orals were specifically designed to not be broken down by your liver and digestive system.

The injectable form is not (usually 99.9% of the time) suspended in oil. It's a water base which is soluble via oral administration, thus you can drink it or inject it.

i like taking the oral, it is easier, when is do winny i take an am and pm dose,

Originally Posted by CT

FYI - The half life is 9 hours, you need to dose it ED. Where did the information come from about nitrogen retention? Just curious.

I've read it in several places over the years and it's one of the pieces of info that always stuck with me. One place I believe was the World Anabolic Review 1996 edition, and several websites one of which I "think" is isteroids.com and maybe even mesomorphosis.com by Bill Roberts as well as several more books/articles/sites, etc. They've given similar info. That is, the injectable version has typically been noted to give slightly better results. The nitrogen retention was the main difference. The half life for the orals is 9 hours - not sure off hand what is for the depot. I've seen the depot work EOD at 50-100mg with success. I know it's an aqueous solution but it must have a half life longer than the oral b/c it doesn't go directly through the liver, at least not in the same way the oral does as I'm sure you know.

Originally Posted by CT

WTF???? COME ON YOU GUYS.

Half of you have no idea. You can drink the injectable, and there is ZERO difference between the solid tabs and the injectable liquid....NONE.

big ditto....this is Winstrol 101

Originally Posted by BigBird

I've read it in several places over the years and it's one of the pieces of info that always stuck with me. One place I believe was the World Anabolic Review 1996 edition, and several websites one of which I "think" is isteroids.com and maybe even mesomorphosis.com by Bill Roberts as well as several more books/articles/sites, etc. They've given similar info. That is, the injectable version has typically been noted to give slightly better results. The nitrogen retention was the main difference. The half life for the orals is 9 hours - not sure off hand what is for the depot. I've seen the depot work EOD at 50-100mg with success. I know it's an aqueous solution but it must have a half life longer than the oral b/c it doesn't go directly through the liver, at least not in the same way the oral does as I'm sure you know.

The oral and liquid passes through the liver the exact same way, is there some type of highway for one a dirt road for the other? The half life is the exact same, there is no difference at all. EOD dosing with a 9 hour half life is a sure fire way to have unstable blood levels.

Post up that information if you have it, seeing that it's almost 15 years old it might be outdated.

Yeah, I'll definately try to find the source(s), but as you said it could still be outdated. I believe you if you say their half-lives are the same but I figured something passing through the liver would have a shorter half life as something injected IM. It's a fact that I did read the nitrogen retention item (aside from the fact it could be true or false info). If I can find one of the previous sources I will post.

Originally Posted by BigBird

Yeah, I'll definately try to find the source(s), but as you said it could still be outdated. I believe you if you say their half-lives are the same but I figured something passing through the liver would have a shorter half life as something injected IM. It's a fact that I did read the nitrogen retention item (aside from the fact it could be true or false info). If I can find one of the previous sources I will post.

Not doubting you Bro, just curious. Maybe I can learn something new as well.