Thread: Working abroad - decent cycle?

I think he should wait until he has 8-12 weeks straight to dedicate to a cycle. His blood levels will be all over the place doing 4 weeks on then 2 weeks off. Maybe even consider doing a legal supp he can bring with him like super dmz or a fast acting ester like prop if he's absolutely set on using. But even with the prop, he won't get a proper pct so it probably ain't worth it IMO.

He doesn't have 8-12 weeks straight, unless he gets sick (and get a sick leave)...

He has 2 weeks on, 4 weeks off, all the year.


Is there no way he can get a decent cycle with long-acting-esters then ?

I really don't think I'm qualified to answer that but I'm sure a vet will chime in and help. Is dmz not an option? Generally, long esters need to be pinned at least once a week. Test C clears your system in 15 days so I think 2 weeks is too long between shots. I think there's an ester that takes a little longer than C to clear your system but I don't remember the name of it. I think it clears in 18-21 days but you probably still need to pin at least once a week.

testosterone decanoate will be the way to go,,

Originally Posted by Testonut

Hey


A friend of mine works abroad... That means he works 2 weeks, then have 4 weeks off. He can't bring anything with him during those 2 weeks he works, because he don't want to risk losing his job.


So im just wondering if it is possible to have a decent cycle, when he has to be "off" for as long as 2 weeks... ?


If so!! What cycle would you recommend, and how would you run it?

Hey Testonut, I can help you out. Read this article, you may find it helpful. It has some good info, even though there are some things I do not agree with in this article. Take whatever parts will work for you.
I must say though, a four week cycle is very possible. I work abroad as well and I have been in your shoes before. The best thing about working overseas is that in many countries you can just walk into a pharmacy and get your gear or just have a local get them for you. In Europe, short duration cycles are very common. I have done them as well with great results. Obviously you will not have the gains from a long cycle but you can still make great progress. Just stick to fast acting gear. The best part of short cycles is not having your natural Test levels shut down so hard. Your Test levels recover much quicker and you will not lose that much of your gains. The most difficult thing I have found about working abroad, especially in combat zones, is finding enough good quality food. Good luck to you....... I mean your "friend."

Steroids for health-SHORT CYCLES Explained

por j.c. el Lun Jul 02, 2007 9:05 pm
I would like to explain the benefits of short cycles for the recreational lifter, and that includes 95% of us I think. I would also like to clear up a few misconceptions in regard to short cycles in general.

WHAT MAKES A CYCLE SHORT

Short cycles are steroid cycles that do not exceed 4 weeks ,with 2-3 weeks "on" preferred.

WHY DO SHORT CYCLES

The main reason is to limit the negative health impact that steroids DO have on users.
For those of you that don't get lab work done while on steroids I would have you know that steroid use causes a very bad shift in the lipid profile. HDL(good cholesterol) which acts like a sticky sweeping broom to sweep up bad LDL (bad cholesterol) and prevent plaque build up on atery walls, goes EXTREMELY LOW in, dare I say, ALL MEN. Not only this but LDL levels usually climb and this is combo is not good.
Short cycles still cause a crappy lipid shift but not to the same degree as the long cycle. Also less time "On" means less time for potential aterial plaque build up.
After my last long cycle of 8 weeks I had some blood work done and my doc HAD A COW as my hdl to total cholesterol ratio was extremely poor.

There isn't a damn thing you can do to significantly avoid this....you can take niacin , flax oil , do cardio and have a pefect diet low in saturated fat and you will STILL get a very shitty lipid profile.

So a very bad lipid profile with high ldl and rock bottom hdl is a SIGNIFICANT risk factor for aterial plaque build up and heart disease. As a side....anyone that thinks "Arny" only got his aortic valve done doesn't have a clue. I know for a fact that he had a coronary bypass as I have worked with members of the heart team that did his operation.

True there are other risk factors for heart disease but this is a big one and well documented as well.

HEW!!! Next ...short cycles limit other side effects like hair loss, acne, high Blood pressure and resulting kidney stress, testicular shrinkage and poor HPTA rebound.

Also short cycles are a heck of a lot easier on the old liver especially if 17aa orals are used....got to love d-bol he he he !

WHAT SHORT CYCLES ARE NOT

Short cycles will not result in bigger gains. Short cycles will not allow one to be competive in todays national level competitions. Short cycles will not give you 30 pounds of bulk at one time.

WHAT SHORT CYCLES CAN DO

Short cycles can give you decent gains that are FAR better than what you could attain to as a natural. Gains of 10 pounds are not infrequently kept form a short cycle with the novice or those that are not at least very close to their natural maximum weight.

Short cycles will allow a much quicker HPTA recovery than a long cycle and this allows one to kepp a higher percentage of ones gains. In fact full testosterone rebound often happens in but a week. Gains often continue in the weeks after the short cycle is over simply because ones natural test production often jumps a little higher than normal becuase the pituitary really hammers out the LH and the testes have not shunk.
My natural test production is quite good for a man of 40, at 550. I tested my test level a week after I stopped a 14 day cycle and it had rebonded to 650 from the immediate pre cycle 550. On day 15 it was down to 54!

How many of you bro's have experience gains AFTER coming off a 8 weeker...not a one I would say.

Lets face it bro's if you gain 25 -30 pouns of bulk in a long cycle you sure the hell aren't going to be able to hang onto more than 15 of those pounds over the next 6 months unless you were WAY WAY under your potential to begin with.

BEFORE DOING SHORT CYCLES.....

learn how to train and gain WITHOUT steroids. This is critical! IF one knows how to train without gear then adding a small amount of gear over a short period of time can result in great gains.
Trouble is almost nobody knows how to gain without steroids so they do the large doses over long periods of time to compensate for their chronic over training and poor training, sleeping habits.

ORIGIN OF SHORT CYCLES AND VARIATIONS

Well I am sure that there have always been men that used short cycles but the first one that I know of that actually spoke up on the matter was NELSON MONTANA, formerly of T-MAG.

NELSON MONTANA advocated, and still does advocate, cycles of 3 weeks in length. Modest doses are used of 1000mg per week TOTAL or less. Injectables and orals are used. Usually the injectable is in a long acting ester and not injected once per week but several times per week in smaller doses as he belives this is better for anabolism. Nelsons favorite steroid is PRIMO but he does like sust, d-bol, winny and anavar. He will not use or recommend vet steroids like EQ or tren. He does not recommend nandrolone.

Nelson believes three weeks will offers the best trade off between gains and sides. He thinks two weeks "on" is not quite enough time "on"
His favorite combo's are sust/d-bol or primo/anavar.

Here is an example of Nelsons three weeker.

WEEK ONE
DAY ONE sust 250mg, day 3 primo 100mg, day 5 primo 100mg, day 7 primo 100mg. 25 of d-bol in divided doses per day.

WEEK TWO
Test cyp or enanthate 100mg, day 10 primo 100mg and day 12 primo 100mg, day 14 primo 100mg. 25 of winny per day

WEEK THREE
day 16 primo 100, day 18 primo 100, day 20 primo 100 and day 22 primo 100 and also anavar 25 per day

Notice how the cycle uses weaker orals as the weeks go on and the non aromatizable and weker primo . This is to limit inhibition to some degree AND also to limit water gain for good post cycle lean tissue realization

WEEK FOUR ...OPTIONAL
25 of proviron for 5 days and only in the am. This is to help with sex drive, prevent estrogen back lash and act as a mild form of a taper. 25 mg only done in the am is not very inhibitory. I like its ability to ward off estrogen rebound post cycle.

Nelson does not believe that Clomid is necessary after his cycles and may actually cause harm in some men.

The above is a complicated cycle that is not cheap but Nelson thinks it is the ultimate short cycle. Similar but cheaper short cycle s can be based on the MONTANA METHOD.

IN COMES BILL ROBERTS!!!

Now Bill Roberts has been preaching short cycles for some time know, but not as long as Nelson. He says that he was taught his method but a Greek physicain that trains athletes in Europe. It is strange that he never even mentions Nelson and his method and this tells me that he may have stolen the idea from Nelson in the first place.

Anyway Roberts recommends higher doses of strickly short acting injectables and powerful orals. Front loading injectables is recommended.
Roberts is a big believer in Clomid post cycle. He also believes in using HCG if cycles are long or less than 4 weeks are taken between repeated two week cycles ,so as to prevent testicular shrinkage and the resulting poor HPTA recovery.

Roberts believes that after two weeks the pituitary becomes inhibited and not just the testes and hypothalamus and thus he recommends 14 days "on" as the limit IF you are striving for very rapid HPTA recovery.

I have used the "Roberts" cycles with good success as have many others including a few of my close friends but I plan on trying Nelsons method soon.

ROBERTS EXAMPLES


Day one, tren front loaded at 150mg and then tren 75 mg per day through day 12.
Dbol 50 mg per day in divided doses through day 14.
Clomid therapy starting day 15 and for 4 weeks or three weeks if Clomid was used as an anti estrogen during the "on" weeks. He will also use estrogen inhibitors if aromatization is expected to be high.

Second example for the larger man...
Test prop 300mg on day one and then 100-150mg per day for 11 days. Tren 150mg per day on day one and then 50-75 per day for 12 days, winstrol 50 mg per day for 14 days.

Other combo's include Tren/winny., test/d-bol winny., Tren/winny /d-bol....etc etc..

Notice that no long acting injectable is used. This is done to allow for a very rapid post cycle elimination of androgens so as to prevent additional lengthening of the cycle. This is Key point in the Roberts two weeker because he believes that any time "on" past two weeks will not allow for the most rapid HPTA recovery. He goes so far as to say that recovery after three week "on" is not especially quicker than recover after 8 weeks "on"

Roberts sites many examples of 7-10 plus pounds kept from his two weekers.

The man that is above his natural max weight (ie: 5'9-10 " and a leanish 190) cannot expect to gains 10 pounds in two weeks but 5 pounds in not uncommon.

NOTE>>> Both Roberts and Montana recommend at least 4 weeks off between these cycles. Roberts does say that two weeks off can be okay, but if repeated two weekers are done then HCG should be used during the cycle at 500iu's per day to prevent testicular shrinkage over the months.

So try short cycles if you are really concerned about your health and want to minimize the risks of steroid use, yet still wish to use steroids , and if you want to keep a higher percentage of your gains from a cycle.

Good luck and I hope this clears a few things up

Not that it matters, but it IS for a friend of mine. Im currently on a test-e/tren-e cycle myself...


But thanks for that information regarding short cycles, a lot of information!


What my friend originally planned, was taking 5-600mg EQ for 15 weeks, and 250mg test-e for 16 weeks.. pinning once a week... and he would pin 2.5x the amount before going abroad 2 weeks... But I have never heard of someone doing it like that.

Testo - a close friend of mine travels overseas for 2-3 weeks every year and has always pinned long test esters i.e test decanoate/undecanoate the day he leaves and the day returns. He brings orals with him by simply putting the same type of every pill in an innocent pill container. Not once has anyone in authority of any country ever scrutinized the bottle other than looking past the bottles in his carry on luggage to check for other things. Could this backfire? I suppose so. But it works for him. He also brings liver pills, vitamins and separates everything in the pill organizer box. He even removes his tramadol from his prescription bottle and adds whatever orals. It's a legitimate prescription bottle, bottles of advil, tylenol, etc and no one has ever questioned his medicine b/c he carries it on and lets it be seen if they open his bag. I'm not recommending this but I am just sayin...

Note to any and all LE: the above post is not true.

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Just wondering how one would cycle if using say decanoate/undecanoate. When he's home those 4 weeks, when does he pin himself? And does he pin himself with a higher mg before going out ?

Does he work on an offshore drilling rig?

My buddy works offshore 2 weeks on 2 weeks off and is never checked for any contraband. He said it would be quite easy to do while offshore on the drilling rig.

Maybe that isnt the case though...

Yeah he works offshore, on an oil drilling rig (In Scandinavia).

And the security is INSANE. I mean.. It's more insane than on an airport.

So bringing in a needle would be a NO NO.

Bringing Pills? Now that's doable.