First Cycle

**Livebig14** · 12-31-2010, 09:40 AM

Hi everyone. I am considering running my first cycle within the next few months. I just want to be sure everything i have planned out is correct and will help me make the most gains possible. As i said before this is my first cycle so I am planning on running testosterone enanthate at 500mg a week. Is this too much test e for my first cycle? Also Im wondering if I should use d-bol to kick start the cycle, or if I don't even need it because my receptors are so fresh. My stats: 24 years old. 5'10. 190 pounds. Bench Press-250. Squat-325. Deadlift-425. I have been lifting for about 3 years now. My cycle will go as follows:
Weeks 1-12- testosterone enanthate 500mg per week. twice per week injections.
D-bol-weeks 1-4- 30mg per day.
Milk thistle for liver support while on d-bol
.25mg of armidex throughout the cycle every other day to reduce water weight
PCT-starting two weeks after last injection-
Nolvadex at 20 mg per day for 30 days
Clomid-day 1-300mg. days 2-7- 100mg. days 8-21- 50mg

I will be eating around 5000 calories per day while on this cyce. 350grams of protein. 450 grams of carbs. 1 and 1/2 -2 gallons of water per day throughout.

Looking forward to seeing what everyone thinks about this cycle and what needs to be changed.

**gym66** · 12-31-2010, 09:47 AM

looks good. probably dont need the d-bol

**Simply_Michael** · 12-31-2010, 09:51 AM

Beg to differ about the dbol. a great booster for the test at the beginning and at the tail end of the cycle as well. cause it does take tiem for the test to kick in

**hackskii** · 12-31-2010, 09:56 AM

500 is fine, drop the dbol, some guys get very heavy estrogenic sides.

2 weeks your 500mg wont clear, starting PCT to early can miss the window.
Wait 3 weeks.

Me personally I would use HCG @ 500iu twice a week throughout, makes recovery very easy, and avoiding a crash.
You will see great gains @ 500mg a week.
You can shoot that all in one shot once a week with no problems, wont make any diffrence in gains what so ever splitting that up.
But it will take 3 weeks and even longer to clear that shot.

**rippedgolfer** · 12-31-2010, 09:56 AM

Looks good. 500 mg per week is generally the protocol for first cycles so it doesn't look like too much. I personally would skip the dbol on first go but nothing wrong with using it. Looks like you did your homework. Good luck!

**Livebig14** · 12-31-2010, 10:07 AM

alright thanks. So should i run the HCG from the beginning of the cycle all the way to the end of PCT? or do I just run it during the cycle?

**SloppyJ** · 12-31-2010, 10:08 AM

I like the dbol personally. It's not as crazy as I thought it would be though.

**hackskii** · 12-31-2010, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Livebig14

alright thanks. So should i run the HCG from the beginning of the cycle all the way to the end of PCT? or do I just run it during the cycle?

During and up to the start of PCT during clearing of the gear, run the AI right up to the start of PCT, then drop it.
Then you run the SERMS.

**Livebig14** · 12-31-2010, 10:25 AM

alright thanks hackskii. How much did you gain the first time you ran test?

**rippedgolfer** · 12-31-2010, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Livebig14

alright thanks hackskii. How much did you gain the first time you ran test?

This really depends on YOU. Everyone is different and everyones work ethic and dedication differs. You can gain anywhere from 5-25 lbs. But it depends on your diet, your dedication to your training and rest. I would say 90% of your gains will be dictated by your diet. You should go back and read some older posts of people's logs. It should give you a general idea of what to expect. And read the stickies, especially the First Cycle and PCT stickies. Lots of very valuable info in there.

**hackskii** · 12-31-2010, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Livebig14

alright thanks hackskii. How much did you gain the first time you ran test?

My first cycle I put about 40 to 50 pounds on my bench that had been the same for many years.
I put on probably 10 pounds after I was off and when on many guys asked me what I was taking...lol
I grew very fast and many noticed.
But I was already at pretty much my genetic potential already.
First cycles make huge gains.

In the end, you wont keep more muscle than you genetically and hormonally can keep.

**Livebig14** · 12-31-2010, 10:48 AM

nice! 50 pounds on your bench and 10 pounds is pretty good. Im looking forward to switching to the dark side lol. I will post all my results and pictures if i can get my computer to upload them

**hackskii** · 12-31-2010, 11:02 AM

That is 50 pounds past my max that was 20 years old.

**Livebig14** · 12-31-2010, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by hackskii

That is 50 pounds past my max that was 20 years old.

oh alright. I have another question. The HCG is split up into two injections at 250iu each. Or is it two 500iu injections each week?

**hackskii** · 12-31-2010, 11:54 AM

500iu each injection, this will keep and maintain testicular function which is hands down the most important part of recovery.
Adding that in your cycle will allow recovery to be probably 10 times easier, just keep the AI in there and any issues of estrogenic sides from the gear just up the dose of the AI.
Adex can be taken EOD and even as little as twice a week, but at the dose you are taking would be just about right.
Any pain in the nipples or alot of itchyness then up the adex.
Can take up to around 3 weeks for blood plasma levels to get where they need to be.

**Livebig14** · 12-31-2010, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by hackskii

500iu each injection, this will keep and maintain testicular function which is hands down the most important part of recovery.
Adding that in your cycle will allow recovery to be probably 10 times easier, just keep the AI in there and any issues of estrogenic sides from the gear just up the dose of the AI.
Adex can be taken EOD and even as little as twice a week, but at the dose you are taking would be just about right.
Any pain in the nipples or alot of itchyness then up the adex.
Can take up to around 3 weeks for blood plasma levels to get where they need to be.

alright. If i inject the test wednesdays and sundays when should i inject the HCG? Also what time of the day should i take the adex, d-bol, clomid, and nolva?

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