Thread: 1st Cycle Thinking of Oral help/input wanted.

Anavar is quite weak. I would use a much stronger oral.

Orals are not necessarily better or worse - they're just different. Faster acting, leave your system quicker, liver toxic (not all of them), more convenient to take, etc. There are people who've taken a 'Var only cycle with good results but it typically requires a larger dose; 60-70mg ED. You might benefit from it if your BF% is already low, that is no higher than 10-11. But if you're looking to get BIG overnight then a different, stronger oral would be more suitable such as D-bol. Keep in mind, if you decide to take a stronger oral like D-bol, you'll be losing most, if not ALL, of your gains since you won't have any oil based test injected in your system.

We don't know your stats nor your goals so it's hard to make a recommendation.

Well i have heard of some people doing Anavar and D-bol if i were to do that how much D-bol should i take? yeah my BF is at about 14% i am 6'5 225. Looking to get bigger but not blow up.

Originally Posted by Gonzo56

Well i have heard of some people doing Anavar and D-bol if i were to do that how much D-bol should i take? yeah my BF is at about 14% i am 6'5 225. Looking to get bigger but not blow up.

Here is a good legal steroid that won't put a bunch of water on you.

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/an...e-updated.html

Originally Posted by Gonzo56

Well i have heard of some people doing Anavar and D-bol if i were to do that how much D-bol should i take? yeah my BF is at about 14% i am 6'5 225. Looking to get bigger but not blow up.

If you choose D-bol, most people are in the 30-50mg ED range. You could start with 30mg and give it a couple weeks to decide if you need to up it by 10 or 20mgs. But keep the 'Var no lower than 60mg ED. There is likely to be some water retention with the Dbol but the 'Var is famous for keeping you on the leaner side. You'll get moe out of the 'Var if you're stacking it with something. It would be preferable to stack it with an injectable someday when you can.

Thanks heaviron great read i will look into that one a lot more. So if i did the Super DMZ do you think i should keep teh same pct? 2 weeks of 20mg Nolvadex and 50mg Clomid.

Originally Posted by Gonzo56

Thanks heaviron great read i will look into that one a lot more. So if i did the Super DMZ do you think i should keep teh same pct? 2 weeks of 20mg Nolvadex and 50mg Clomid.

I think the Clomid is best for 4 weeks.

Ok thanks for your help. Going to keep researching appreciate the help.

heavyiron,

Should i follow this Cycle plus the Nolvadex and Clomid at the end as well?


SUPER-DMZ Rx 8 WEEK PRO-ANABOLIC MASS CYCLE
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PRODUCTS NEEDED:
Super-DMZ Rx - 1 Bottles (44.99)
Anabolic-Matrix Rx - 1 bottle ($29.99)
E-Control Rx - 1 bottle ($42.99)
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FIRST 4 WEEKS:
Super-DMZ Rx Rx - 2 caps daily (1 cap AM / 1 cap PM)
Anabolic-Matrix Rx - 2 caps daily with food
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LAST 4 WEEKS:
E-Control Rx - 2 caps daily (1 cap AM / 1 cap PM)
Anabolic-Matrix Rx - 2 caps daily with food

May I ask why you can't do injectables? The DMZ is good stuff. Definitely a good alternative to injectables with no legal ramifications.

May I ask why you can't do injectables? The DMZ is good stuff. Definitely a good alternative to injectables with no legal ramifications.

Military on deployment living with 30 other guys.

haha... he said "oral help input wanted"

LMAO^^^ sorry that was funny.

Originally Posted by Gonzo56

May I ask why you can't do injectables? The DMZ is good stuff. Definitely a good alternative to injectables with no legal ramifications.

Military on deployment living with 30 other guys.

I've heard that many military personnel actually inject each other and roids are widely used in the military. This is just hearsay so I don't know if it's true but fuck it, I'm all for our military using performance enhancers. Why not? You're risking your life. Why wouldn't you want every advantage you can to protect yourself and your fellow members? Pisses me off when something that clearly would benefit our military is frowned upon. Well if you have no other choice, the dmz is good stuff. You might go to a country where gear is legal. If that's the case, you can probably walk right into a pharm and buy it OTC. There's a lot of military here. Maybe someone will chime in and help you. Good luck bro!

Dude I can pin anywhere and I just read a huge article on how many servicemen are on juice. Winners find a way. I personally dont like pills theyre hard on your liver and ya gotta remember to take em. Var is badass if you can afford it. Id go with no less than 100mg a day though wont put much weight on ya its light on your HTPA and youll get strong as hell and rock solid muscle.

There are not many places were i would be able to do it plus i move around every couple of weeks so pills would just be easier.

gsxrguy 100mg a day? That a lot higher then what i have heard. Would you run that for 6 wks?

I've actually been doing a lot of research on Var. You probably don't want to go any lower than 60 mg. 100 mg I hear is a good dose to see good gains. 70-80 mg is probably where you want to be if you can't afford 100 mg.

rippedgolfer

Ok do you think the two weeks of 20mg Nolvadex and 50mg Clomid wpuld be a good pct?

Originally Posted by Gonzo56

There are not many places were i would be able to do it plus i move around every couple of weeks so pills would just be easier.

gsxrguy 100mg a day? That a lot higher then what i have heard. Would you run that for 6 wks?

Shit I slam mine while Im in the shit stall at work lol my woman dont like it so I keep it on the DL. Ya Ive run it several times first time i was on 30mg ed then went to 50 mg ed last time was 75mg ed and if i was gonna run it again(which Im not shits expensive as hell unless you can find bulk powder) Id def use 100mg. There are mixed opinions on pct after var. Some guys say its not needed at all Im of the opinion that anytime you mess with your bodies hormonal balance(roids,prohormones, or any legal boosters) you should do some sort of pct. IMO Id say 20mg ed of Nolva for 3-4 weeks would be more than sufficient maybe throw in som tribulus terrestris with it if youre really worried. This is just my opinion and i should mention Ive never had any signs of gyno or sides even running 800mg of test and 400mg eq ew with no AI. Good luck.

gsxrguy thanks for your help.

good hunting

Originally Posted by BigBird

Keep in mind, if you decide to take a stronger oral like D-bol, you'll be losing most, if not ALL, of your gains since you won't have any oil based test injected in your system.

This is not true. With proper diet, training and PCT, you can retain a lot of your gains from a D-bol only cycle. I know because I have done a couple in my younger days. Dianabol is better utilized with Test, but it does put on muscle by itself. It is after all one of the strongest AAS mg per mg.

They get a bad rap b/c newbies who are afraid of needles usually run d-bol cycles with poor nutrition, training methods and PCT. They blow up like balloons from too much water, then piss it all away post cycle. Then lose their gains b/c they don't know dick about PCT and post cycle training, eating, etc.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Anavar is quite weak. I would use a much stronger oral.

what about var and halo?

Originally Posted by LAM

what about var and halo?

Halo is badass. Prepare for instant strength and aggression. HOWEVER, If you an asshole to begin with, it will simply make you into more of an asshole - something to consider.

Originally Posted by GMO

This is not true. With proper diet, training and PCT, you can retain a lot of your gains from a D-bol only cycle. I know because I have done a couple in my younger days. Dianabol is better utilized with Test, but it does put on muscle by itself. It is after all one of the strongest AAS mg per mg.

They get a bad rap b/c newbies who are afraid of needles usually run d-bol cycles with poor nutrition, training methods and PCT. They blow up like balloons from too much water, then piss it all away post cycle. Then lose their gains b/c they don't know dick about PCT and post cycle training, eating, etc.

Good point GMO. I was implying the water weight gain/loss on a dbol only cycle. I should have been more specific.