Thread: Cycle check

From a quick glance, your deca/test ratio is off. Up the test to 600 or lower the deca.

I like your idea of the first cycle, that would work alright. It is a general rule that you want 2x as much test as deca, but your 400-600mg ratio isn't all that bad. It is also a general rule that deca should be run at least 12 weeks...while you dont always have to, the best gains come in later. While its not your first cycle, I would like to see it set up like this

1-8 - 600mg/test
8-14 - 800mg/test
1-12- 400mg/deca

Hope this helps,
-T

Originally Posted by TwisT

I like your idea of the first cycle, that would work alright. It is a general rule that you want 2x as much test as deca, but your 400-600mg ratio isn't all that bad. It is also a general rule that deca should be run at least 12 weeks...while you dont always have to, the best gains come in later. While its not your first cycle, I would like to see it set up like this

1-8 - 600mg/test
8-14 - 800mg/test
1-12- 400mg/deca

Hope this helps,
-T

Listen to twist

Originally Posted by TwisT

I like your idea of the first cycle, that would work alright. It is a general rule that you want 2x as much test as deca, but your 400-600mg ratio isn't all that bad. It is also a general rule that deca should be run at least 12 weeks...while you dont always have to, the best gains come in later. While its not your first cycle, I would like to see it set up like this

1-8 - 600mg/test
8-14 - 800mg/test
1-12- 400mg/deca

Hope this helps,
-T

+1

also, run your ai all the way up to pct. Use clomid rather than nolva for pct. I think you'll be happier with the winny to finish the cycle rather than dbol as a kickstart. Depends on your goals but I love winny. It will have you shredded at the end of the cycle. And with the deca, your joints will be fine.

Turinabol (ot) or winny not dbol

Alright well how does this look?

1-12 test E 600wk

1-10 decca 300wk

4-10 Winni 50mg ED

1-14 a'dex .25mg EOD (may up it to .5 if i start noticing probs)

2-12 hcg 250IU 2x wk

14-18 clomid 150/100/50/50

Originally Posted by craig0407

Alright well how does this look?

1-12 test E 600wk

1-10 decca 300wk

4-10 Winni 50mg ED

1-14 a'dex .25mg EOD (may up it to .5 if i start noticing probs)

2-12 hcg 250IU 2x wk

14-18 clomid 150/100/50/50

I say run it champ!

Why not run the winny 8-14 so you have something going on while the test clears? That still sounds a little long to me seeing how toxic it is.

all looks good to me except for the winny...weeks 4-10? that doesnt make sense to me. either 4 weeks in the beginning or in the end. id personally do the tbol the first 4 while waiting on ur long esters to kick in. this is pretty much the universal recommendation. it looks like from the dosage of test e and by adding the deca you trying to put on mass (whether it be lean mass or not) so why winni? do the tbol. save the winni for a cutting cycle closer to summer or something.

Originally Posted by muscle37

all looks good to me except for the winny...weeks 4-10? that doesnt make sense to me. either 4 weeks in the beginning or in the end. id personally do the tbol the first 4 while waiting on ur long esters to kick in. this is pretty much the universal recommendation. it looks like from the dosage of test e and by adding the deca you trying to put on mass (whether it be lean mass or not) so why winni? do the tbol. save the winni for a cutting cycle closer to summer or something.

There's nothing wrong with Winny at the end of a cycle. You don't always have to choose between a bulk or cut cycle. AAS are much more versatile than that. When I was younger and always wanted the ripped look, I would always add winny at the end of my cycles. The major difference was that I would run my cycle for 14-16 weeks. I would pack on the mass for 10-12, then incorporate Winny at the end to shed the body fat I gained while bulking. I always came out much heavier than when I started, but without an increase in BF. This was of course before I found one of my best friends names Trenbolone, so I do it a bit differently now. Also, T-bol is a waste for only 4 weeks, that's when it really starts to kick in. D-bol or A-drol are the best 4 week kickers.

Originally Posted by GMO

There's nothing wrong with Winny at the end of a cycle. You don't always have to choose between a bulk or cut cycle. AAS are much more versatile than that. When I was younger and always wanted the ripped look, I would always add winny at the end of my cycles. The major difference was that I would run my cycle for 14-16 weeks. I would pack on the mass for 10-12, then incorporate Winny at the end to shed the body fat I gained while bulking. I always came out much heavier than when I started, but without an increase in BF. This was of course before I found one of my best friends names Trenbolone, so I do it a bit differently now. Also, T-bol is a waste for only 4 weeks, that's when it really starts to kick in. D-bol or A-drol are the best 4 week kickers.

didnt say there was anything wrong with winny at the end of the cycle. just said i didnt get why start at week 4 and run till the end of the cycle. if u want to start 4 weeks before the end as u suggested then that makes more sense. i agree that dbol and adrol are the best 4 week kickers. personally when i bulk...i bulk. when i cut...i cut. if im looking to get something in between then ill do tren. however, when im on aas i find it difficult to gain fat no matter what im taking or how much i eat. not sure if its cause my workouts are much more intense or if the increase in mass raised my metabolism enough to neutralize my high calorie intake. so a four week cutting compound at the end of a cycle was never necessary for me. to each's own i guess.

Where is the pramipexole or cabergoline?