Thread: Advise needed..

Is the winny injectable or oral? If oral tabs, typical dose is 50mg broken in half and taken twice a day about 6-8 hours apart. Anavar for males usually requires at least 60mg ED taken in two doses like the winny tabs. You don't need much Clen; whatever you can tolerate without excessive jitters. Someone else will know more about the Cytomel than I would. What are your stats? Age?

Originally Posted by 2737

I was looking for some advise on stacking Cytomel, Clen, Anavar & Winni ?? I have herd this is a great stack for cutting & fat loss. I have been training for a while and would like to try to get ripped by summer.. Can any one offer some advise on what times of day to take what,how much & what supplements to take with them? I haven't got much advice from any one that really knows what their talking about..
Thanks for the help.....Rock of the Marne

Can you post up your exact diet? That would help out a lot, along with your current age and bf%

Thanks for the the help!!
AGE: 42, 6'3", 290lbs Have been lifting all my life on or off.
On for the past 1.5 yrs. (deployed again!) Train 2on,1off ,cardio in between..
Drink protein after work out,Createan,Amino Fuel and other B.S. they sell here at the PX... Never juiced,always wanted to,I just want to do it right!

Originally Posted by 2737

Thanks for the the help!!
AGE: 42, 6'3", 290lbs Have been lifting all my life on or off.
On for the past 1.5 yrs. (deployed again!) Train 2on,1off ,cardio in between..
Drink protein after work out,Createan,Amino Fuel and other B.S. they sell here at the PX... Never juiced,always wanted to,I just want to do it right!

You need to lay out a detailed explanation like this:

6:00am - 2 eggs, 1 cup egg whites, 55g oats, 3/4 cup blueberries
8:30am - 7oz. bison, 1 green pepper, 2oz. almonds
11:00am - 1 cup cottage cheese, 1 scoop protein powder, 2 tbsp. anpb.


That way we can help you better. Just taking gear to do it without the diet part is totally useless. It would be like being in combat with a gun and not having the ammo.

Damn! 6'3" 290lbs? You're a pretty big boy. You should definately lean out from the stack you listed. Good luck. Protein, protein and more protein. At 290lbs, make sure while on cycle you're ingesting about about 2grams of protein per lb of body weight. Math 101: 290lbs x 2 = 580 grams of protein per day.

Yes,thank you!
Meso-Tech shake for breakfast,cryotest test-booster,amino fuel ,multi vitamin.. chicken and vegi for lunch , MuscleTech-Leukic, lift 1.5-2.5 hrs , MuscleTech-Creakic,Whey Protein shake, usually-tuna ,weat crackers,beef jerky ,diet soda for dinner.
Age: 42, 6'3", 290lbs , lifted all my life on or off 1.5 yrs on now (deployed again!)..
Train 2on , 1off, cardio in between if I can.. IDK bf index?? Got kind of a belly that's pretty much it?? my bench is in the mid 3's and I'm bigger than most guys in the gym here if that's any help?? Thanks again...

Sounds like you don't need to increase your mass as you've got enough already. Therefore, I like you plan of decreasing your body fat and leaning up the existing mass you already have. In the process, you'll lose some weight and harden up. Due to your size, you might need to increase the anavar dose to 80mg per day in order to get the most out of it. You should still do well with 50mg Winny ED too. If you do this cycle, I'd do it for a good 12 weeks and pay attention to everything you eat!

Originally Posted by BigBird

Sounds like you don't need to increase your mass as you've got enough already. Therefore, I like you plan of decreasing your body fat and leaning up the existing mass you already have. In the process, you'll lose some weight and harden up. Due to your size, you might need to increase the anavar dose to 80mg per day in order to get the most out of it. You should still do well with 50mg Winny ED too. If you do this cycle, I'd do it for a good 12 weeks and pay attention to everything you eat!

Thanks!!!!!

Originally Posted by 2737

Yes,thank you!
Meso-Tech shake for breakfast,cryotest test-booster,amino fuel ,multi vitamin.. chicken and vegi for lunch , MuscleTech-Leukic, lift 1.5-2.5 hrs , MuscleTech-Creakic,Whey Protein shake, usually-tuna ,weat crackers,beef jerky ,diet soda for dinner.
Age: 42, 6'3", 290lbs , lifted all my life on or off 1.5 yrs on now (deployed again!)..
Train 2on , 1off, cardio in between if I can.. IDK bf index?? Got kind of a belly that's pretty much it?? my bench is in the mid 3's and I'm bigger than most guys in the gym here if that's any help?? Thanks again...

That's not going to get it done, plain and simple.

First off, you're diet needs A LOT of help. Too many shakes and not enough real soild food. I would start there because adding those compounds are not going to change your appearance until you get to below 10% body fat.

As far as the clen and T3 go....you could do it but why? If you're saying you've got a belly then I'm assuming you could EASILY diet alone and save the other stuff for when you plateau.

You train 1.5-2.5 hours a day?

I would suggest reading up on the diet section before just throwing a bunch of AAS down your throat. What's your PCT plan? Are you running test with this or not?

Originally Posted by BigBird

Sounds like you don't need to increase your mass as you've got enough already. Therefore, I like you plan of decreasing your body fat and leaning up the existing mass you already have. In the process, you'll lose some weight and harden up. Due to your size, you might need to increase the anavar dose to 80mg per day in order to get the most out of it. You should still do well with 50mg Winny ED too. If you do this cycle, I'd do it for a good 12 weeks and pay attention to everything you eat!

That's not good advice. His diet sucks, he's got no PCT plan, no test in the mix and you're telling him to run winstrol for 12 weeks? Where is the liver protection? The A/I?

Do you agree with the diet he has laid out?

Originally Posted by CT

That's not going to get it done, plain and simple.

First off, you're diet needs A LOT of help. Too many shakes and not enough real soild food. I would start there because adding those compounds are not going to change your appearance until you get to below 10% body fat.

As far as the clen and T3 go....you could do it but why? If you're saying you've got a belly then I'm assuming you could EASILY diet alone and save the other stuff for when you plateau.

You train 1.5-2.5 hours a day?

I would suggest reading up on the diet section before just throwing a bunch of AAS down your throat. What's your PCT plan? Are you running test with this or not?

Even without test, someone of his stature is sure to get results with the stack he listed, no? It sounds like a tall task to get under 10% BF for him due to age/weight and the fact that he's probably in the upper teen to near 20% range. I bet with this stack he'd be able to drop BF by a solid 5% in 12 weeks. Maybe a dose of test or Masterone would make it a better stack?

If he throws test in 5:1 odds says he get gyno. I have no way of knowing what his body fat % is but I'm going to assume at least 25%.

Personally I think the amount of fat and extra weight on him + winni is a recipe for disaster. His joints are going to be killing him. I think he should get his diet on track and with the help of ECA start cutting down. Clen probably isn't a good idea either.

Is 350 a max rep for your bench press? Given your weight and that bench I think my 25% body fat estimate is pretty close to accurate.

Originally Posted by BigBird

Even without test, someone of his stature is sure to get results with the stack he listed, no? It sounds like a tall task to get under 10% BF for him due to age/weight and the fact that he's probably in the upper teen to near 20% range. I bet with this stack he'd be able to drop BF by a solid 5% in 12 weeks. Maybe a dose of test or Masterone would make it a better stack?

AGAIN, DIET comes before EVERYTHING. He can get the best results by adjusting his diet period.

Anavar and winstrol should not be used until you're at or under 10% BF. The results are less than optimal, why waste the gear?

Masteron shouldn't be used until he's done with winstrol and anavar. It's the LAST thing that should be used.

Originally Posted by BigBird

Even without test, someone of his stature is sure to get results with the stack he listed, no? It sounds like a tall task to get under 10% BF for him due to age/weight and the fact that he's probably in the upper teen to near 20% range. I bet with this stack he'd be able to drop BF by a solid 5% in 12 weeks. Maybe a dose of test or Masterone would make it a better stack?

He has no reason to go on steroids given the information he posted. He needs to get his diet and training under control before even thinking about touching anything. Much less something that will destroy his joints like winni.

Originally Posted by CT

That's not good advice. His diet sucks, he's got no PCT plan, no test in the mix and you're telling him to run winstrol for 12 weeks? Where is the liver protection? The A/I?

Do you agree with the diet he has laid out?

It's a stack that will decrease his BF would it not? I'm assuming he will take liver protection. Obviously he'd need to eat better. I've seen guys take similar stacks w/out test and get phenomenal results. They deal with thier libido issues yet still don't want to add test. Yes, adding test would be beneficial and AI would be nice. So would PCT. I was just examining his stack on the surface and taking it at face value. I think he'd like the results. His BF would definately drop and strength would increase. As far as his diet, I advocated increasing his protein and as long as he's not eating a ton of shit and processed food, fast food, etc he should be okay. I've never ever counted carbs, calories and got all fancy and I've got nothing but compliments on my physique for the past 15 years.

However, I understand everyone is different. I'm 5'8", 225 with 11%BF but this guy definately has his own set of genetics so in hindsight I guess maybe he should go extra nuts reading labels. I figure if you cut out the ice cream and pizza, etc. that's a positive step.

Originally Posted by BigBird

It's a stack that will decrease his BF would it not? I'm assuming he will take liver protection. Obviously he'd need to eat better. I've seen guys take similar stacks w/out test and get phenomenal results. They deal with thier libido issues yet still don't want to add test. Yes, adding test would be beneficial and AI would be nice. So would PCT. I was just examining his stack on the surface and taking it at face value. I think he'd like the results. His BF would definately drop and strength would increase. As far as his diet, I advocated increasing his protein and as long as he's not eating a ton of shit and processed food, fast food, etc he should be okay. I've never ever counted carbs, calories and got all fancy and I've got nothing but compliments on my physique for the past 15 years.

However, I understand everyone is different. I'm 5'8", 225 with 11%BF but this guy definately has his own set of genetics so in hindsight I guess maybe he should go extra nuts reading labels. I figure if you cut out the ice cream and pizza, etc. that's a positive step.

NO it's not going to decrease his body fat with that diet. Stop making me repeat this. DIET COMES BEFORE EVERYTHING. Why don't you understand this? I don't care if he takes tren, anavar, T3, ECA and whatever else you can name (with the exception of high dose DNP). Without the diet being point on NOTHING much is going to happen.

Don't assume he's taking liver protection, his cycle lay out is pathetic at best. You really think he even knows that winstrol is liver toxic?

Don't compare yourself to him, what works for you might not work for him. Increasing protein is useless if he's still eating other stuff that's not going to help? If I eat extra protein with a bunch of oats that means I'm going to lose BF?

I'm not trying to be a di$k here but you really need to understand that throwing a pile of AAS at a problem without the proper diet is useless.

DIET first, training second, cardio third, diet fourth and then maybe aas.

You can drop BF just by training differently and making slight adjustments to your diet when you plateau, WITHOUT AAS.

Originally Posted by CT

DIET COMES BEFORE EVERYTHING.

Amen brother

Yes, diet is #1 but since OP is 42 years old, I figure'd he has more common sense and maybe familiarized himself with the supps he listed than a 21 yr old newbie who has complete disregard for other important factors. I've seen people actually want to do better when they incorporated aas into their routines. Perhpas if they couldn't improve diet and train w/out aas then they shouldn't use aas period. But aas will make you feel better overall and the results will motivate you even more to improve other aspects of your life and training. I know this sounds ass backwards and it's not the order that I believe in but there are people who opperate this way and I've actually seen a few use aas to their advantage.

Originally Posted by BigBird

Yes, diet is #1 but since OP is 42 years old, I figure'd he has more common sense and maybe familiarized himself with the supps he listed than a 21 yr old newbie who has complete disregard for other important factors. I've seen people actually want to do better when they incorporated aas into their routines. Perhpas if they couldn't improve diet and train w/out aas then they shouldn't use aas period. But aas will make you feel better overall and the results will motivate you even more to improve other aspects of your life and training. I know this sounds ass backwards and it's not the order that I believe in but there are people who opperate this way and I've actually seen a few use aas to their advantage.

Stop trying to justify ANY of this. Diet comes before everything, if the OP doesn't have it in order his plan is set up to fail. End of story.

Originally Posted by 2737

I was looking for some advise on stacking Cytomel, Clen, Anavar & Winni ?? I have herd this is a great stack for cutting & fat loss. I have been training for a while and would like to try to get ripped by summer.. Can any one offer some advise on what times of day to take what,how much & what supplements to take with them? I haven't got much advice from any one that really knows what their talking about..
Thanks for the help.....Rock of the Marne

You don't need all those compounds for a successful cutting cycle IMO.

Originally Posted by CT

Stop trying to justify ANY of this. Diet comes before everything, if the OP doesn't have it in order his plan is set up to fail. End of story.

Ok dad. Forgive me for sharing experiences. That's all I was doing. Truth is, nobody knows everything about aas. Not me, not you, not Dr. John Ziegler, not Dan Duchaine. The OP wanted feedback and that's what I provided. I'm not claiming my suggestions are better than yours or anyone elses. Simply stating experiences I've seen, read, and had. You're just trying to make me sound like a dumb fuck who doesn't have a clue what I'm talking about.

I'm not trying to make you sound dumb, sorry if it came off that way.

And you're right I do not know everything about AAS but I do know when there is a plan that is set up to fail from the start, that was my point.

You just kept trying to justify the fact that "if he did this.....it would work". Which isn't true due to his diet being far from ok.

The problem is when a newbie comes here looking for advice WE as members of the board need to help them in the best way possible. 99.9% of the time an adjustment to the current diet is all it really takes. More gear, hormones and bronchodiolators is not the answer to drop weight (it's the fast easy way that MOST people want and want to hear). Without newbies doing their homework I have a hard time suggesting any type of aas, because if they didn't take the time to research and ask basic questions, I don't want to feel responsible for anything that may happen to that individual. Does that make sense?

As a mod I should try and help everyone, including others who are giving advice. That's just the way I see it and maybe you see it another way.

Sharing your experiences is a good thing but what you're failing to address is that (once again) without him doing ANY homework and without his diet even being decent let alone spot on, some of the advice shouldn't be given. Someone may get hurt. That's why I only answer detailed questions about slin, and DNP via PM, because I love sharing knowledge but if I put it in the open and some newbie reads it and says "fu$k yeah, I'll take 500mgs of DNP and lose 15lbs in 5 days" I would feel guilty, and someone could die.

Again, I wasn't flaming you and unless you're a "mistake" I don't know about please.....no "dad" stuff, I'm just here to try and help.

Originally Posted by CT

I'm not trying to make you sound dumb, sorry if it came off that way.

And you're right I do not know everything about AAS but I do know when there is a plan that is set up to fail from the start, that was my point.

You just kept trying to justify the fact that "if he did this.....it would work". Which isn't true due to his diet being far from ok.

The problem is when a newbie comes here looking for advice WE as members of the board need to help them in the best way possible. 99.9% of the time an adjustment to the current diet is all it really takes. More gear, hormones and bronchodiolators is not the answer to drop weight (it's the fast easy way that MOST people want and want to hear). Without newbies doing their homework I have a hard time suggesting any type of aas, because if they didn't take the time to research and ask basic questions, I don't want to feel responsible for anything that may happen to that individual. Does that make sense?

As a mod I should try and help everyone, including others who are giving advice. That's just the way I see it and maybe you see it another way.

Sharing your experiences is a good thing but what you're failing to address is that (once again) without him doing ANY homework and without his diet even being decent let alone spot on, some of the advice shouldn't be given. Someone may get hurt. That's why I only answer detailed questions about slin, and DNP via PM, because I love sharing knowledge but if I put it in the open and some newbie reads it and says "fu$k yeah, I'll take 500mgs of DNP and lose 15lbs in 5 days" I would feel guilty, and someone could die.

Again, I wasn't flaming you and unless you're a "mistake" I don't know about please.....no "dad" stuff, I'm just here to try and help.

Fair enough CT. I've read a lot of your responses and continue to appreciate what you share. Yeah, forget the "dad" comment.

Cool man. No worries.

Thanks so much for your time!
As I said before,I'm currently deployed so eating right well...isn't that easy.. It's more like get what you can, when ya can (allot of MRE's). That's why I take so many Supplements,to try and make up for what I'm not getting. My BF (i was asking around)probly is more like 20-25%. I love lifting I always have & god knows I love to eat! I stay away from fast food and sweets,if I can't eat right,I just don't eat. But cardio (to me) has always come 2nd. We do allot of PSD's,QRF's & Convoy Security here (which if you've never been down range)consists of allot of standing around in full battle rattle makeing your self a big f-ing target if ya ask me..
So when I'm back on the FOB I spend my time in the gym with my head phones on imagining I'm back in home in FLa. If I can get my routeen in and I still have time then I'll do cardio.. I know it's bad but lifting to me and seeing the results when people look at you and just stare or mumble "GOD DAM"is something I love!! I love being a freek It makes me fell GREAT! I would just like to be a more well defind freak once in my life!! I've always been huge just never cut up..
I already have the gear I mentioned before but ya'll are right,I don't know how to take it proporly to get the best results or not hurt my self. I really want to try it and see the results but not if I spend my leave in the Hospital.
Thanks to you & every on for the advise & sorry about the bad spelling.....
Rock of the Marne..

I'm not familiar with the military enough to give you any advice on eating man. You get three squares a day? It is always a mixture of meat/carbs/fats or can you eat just meat? I think we can help you with your diet and keep your muscle where it is while at the same time dropping some fat off of you. Post a thread up in the diet section. The T3 is a bad idea IMO. Clen will give you the shakes and that isn't cool in you're always going out in the line of fire. Anavar and Winni won't do you much good. I mean you could pop 10mg before working out (The anavar) but 10mg shuts some people down and you don't want to be shut down. That would help with your workouts and thus allow you to burn some extra calories but again, we're not sure if that would shut you down. So go make a thread in the diet section about everything you know about your diet. How often you eat, what it generally is, ect... I know you're not always going to know but a general idea is a place to start.

Will do ASAP..

T3 will rip you up but its one of those things that if you dont or cant find the sweet spot itll be ineffective or will fuck you up. I used T3 with great results but Im lean by nature.if you use Anavar no less than a 100mg prob more for a big bastrd like you jesus!