Cycle review - Opinions wanted

**JCBourne** · 01-09-2011, 03:14 AM

Age : (24-30)
Stats : 6 ft roughly 195 pounds (cut from 215)
BF : 13-15%
Cycle history : Many PH cycles including very harsh PHs, one AAS cycle test e/dbol (not sure if it was real or fake, the test a least)

I'm debating on doing a 12 week or 15 week cycle. My first cycle I did a little under 15 weeks due to me thinking the gear was fake or seriously undosed.

I'm also running tbol, not sure how long I should run I have read different times/doses hoping some will chip in here.

Also doing deca/metha-drol extreme. I know i'm going to get bloat from this and I will be doing adex eod .25-.50ml to keep the bloat down, I absolutely hate bloat.

Plans :

1-12/15 - Test e @ 500mg/wk 2 injection
1-? - tbol @ 60mg/day?
1-10 Deca @ 300mg/wk 1 injection
1-4 metha-drol @ 20mg/day
adex - .25/.50 mg eod until done with deca then .25ml rest of cycle
cycle support

PCT 2 weeks after last injetion:
aromasin 12.5mg eod
Clomid 50/50/25/25
PCT support
natty test booster
horny goat weed

I plan to cut some more BF and weight before starting this cycle, then slowly increasing my food intake then starting my cycle.

**theCaptn'** · 01-09-2011, 03:43 AM

I dont think you should be doing two orals - esp. since sd is so harsh

hit your estro- too hard you reduce your gains, think about a different compound if bloat worries you that much. Boldenone is one option, but nothing under 400mg/wk over 12 weeks

**SFW** · 01-09-2011, 04:58 AM

I dont think you should be doing two orals - esp. since sd is so harsh

he'd be running 4 orals at once actually (sd, dmz, decadrol and tbol) Thats kinda pushing it.

Heres what i would do insted.

Deca 1-15 (400)
Test 1-15 (750)
Metha-drol 11-15 (2 caps ed)

Skip the tbol. This is a bulk cycle? No need for it then. Keep adex @ .5

**theCaptn'** · 01-09-2011, 05:10 AM

Nice cycle, but he's a bit of a girl who doesnt like bloat too much. Perhaps some tampax will help?

**SFW** · 01-09-2011, 07:22 AM

Absolutely.

However, He should stack some Midol with his tampon treatments for maximum effect.

**rippedgolfer** · 01-09-2011, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Mr. Fantastico

he'd be running 4 orals at once actually (sd, dmz, decadrol and tbol) Thats kinda pushing it.

Heres what i would do insted.

Deca 1-15 (400)
Test 1-15 (750)
Metha-drol 11-15 (2 caps ed)

Skip the tbol. This is a bulk cycle? No need for it then. Keep adex @ .5

This is a nice cycle but deca prob needs to be run for 13 weeks rather than same length as test.

**theCaptn'** · 01-09-2011, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by rippedgolfer

This is a nice cycle but deca prob needs to be run for 13 weeks rather than same length as test.

why is that?

**rippedgolfer** · 01-09-2011, 08:13 AM

B/c you need to let the deca clear and continue the Test so you don't run into deca dick. It's generally suggested you run test longer than deca. Maybe I'm wrong. Haven't had any coffee this morning. Brain cells might not have kicked in yet.

**SFW** · 01-09-2011, 08:18 AM

What if he was planning on running nandrolone phenylprop and test undecanoate?

**rippedgolfer** · 01-09-2011, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by Mr. Fantastico

What if he was planning on running nandrolone phenylprop and test undecanoate?

Good point. It didn't specify the ester for the deca or test.

**theCaptn'** · 01-09-2011, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by rippedgolfer

B/c you need to let the deca clear and continue the Test so you don't run into deca dick. It's generally suggested you run test longer than deca. Maybe I'm wrong. Haven't had any coffee this morning. Brain cells might not have kicked in yet.

the difference in ester clearance isnt that much to require 2 weeks . . for example enath is 10.5 days, cyp is 12 days, decanoate is 14 days - not that big a difference.

You could probably get away with dropping out deca on your penultimate pinning without suffering any issues

**JCBourne** · 01-09-2011, 12:24 PM

Okay I should have been clearer, I want to try to minimize bloat but will deal with with. Is that too high for Adex? Last time I did .25 eod/e3d and worked out fine.

I have enough deca for one cycle which is why I went with 10 weeks, wouldn't that be fine? I'm still one the fence if I should do 12 or 15 weeks.

Couldn't I do tbol at the end of the cycle or is that stupid? I hqve a Shit ton of it so I was hoping to use it.

**Glycomann** · 01-09-2011, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by rippedgolfer

Good point. It didn't specify the ester for the deca or test.

When you state deca you are referring to the ester (decanoate)

**rippedgolfer** · 01-09-2011, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Glycomann

When you state deca you are referring to the ester (decanoate)

When I think Deca, I think of the substance nandrolone or deca durabolin. Yes, deca is the longer ester version of this but some would also refer to NPP as a form of deca as well. You don't call Test with a decanoate ester "deca". "Deca" is widely known for it's nandrolone properties and not so much for it's ester.

**gsxrguy** · 01-09-2011, 04:51 PM

Id drop the deca. Thats a rough cycle with all those orals and deca. Your peepee is gonna hate you for it. Id go with test e and tren given the fact this is your 2nd cycle and dead set on going hardcore. IMO you have too much lined up for yourself.

**theCaptn'** · 01-09-2011, 05:13 PM

you think deca is rough, yet recommend tren?

**gsxrguy** · 01-09-2011, 05:21 PM

Ya but like i said its just MY opinion. Deca is super hard on your HTPA more so than tren from what I read and my personal experience w deca wasnt good. I like fuckin and it kills my drive. Tren has its share of sides no doubt but Id rather cough than run around with a limp dick and Ive even read posts on other forums about guys who never got their drive back after using it.

**JCBourne** · 01-09-2011, 05:25 PM

I'm not taking tren nor Iam I looking for a whole different cycle, I'm just asking about mine and what I should/should not do. I'm sticking to the test,deca and drol. I'm wondering if I could do tbol at the end. I've ran very harsh ph cycles, probably harsher then this cycle. I have what I've listed and not buying anything else.

**theCaptn'** · 01-09-2011, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by gsxrguy

Ya but like i said its just MY opinion. Deca is super hard on your HTPA more so than tren from what I read and my personal experience w deca wasnt good. I like fuckin and it kills my drive. Tren has its share of sides no doubt but Id rather cough than run around with a limp dick and Ive even read posts on other forums about guys who never got their drive back after using it.

interested to hear what your deca:test ratio was. Mine is nearly 1:2 and never had any issues apart from a little BP - pretty mild, even at 400mg/wk. The deca dick thing is nandrolone- related, so if deca effects you that way, chances are tren will too. But . . everyone responds a little differently.

bottom line is: moar test. It's forgiving and wont let you down

**gsxrguy** · 01-09-2011, 05:58 PM

Indeed your absolutely correct my test was way too low when I was on it I was a rooklie shootin 200mg of deca and 100 mg test prop ew. way too low I know but still it scared the fuck outta me! Ive thought about using it again and decided against it cuz I cant get past the mental block. But would you disagree that if youre gonna use a nandrolone compound tren out does deca any day mg for mg?

**theCaptn'** · 01-10-2011, 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by gsxrguy

Indeed your absolutely correct my test was way too low when I was on it I was a rooklie shootin 200mg of deca and 100 mg test prop ew. way too low I know but still it scared the fuck outta me! Ive thought about using it again and decided against it cuz I cant get past the mental block. But would you disagree that if youre gonna use a nandrolone compound tren out does deca any day mg for mg?

swings and roundabouts chief . . Im loving the tren results, but it's heavy going as far as sides are concerned. Sure, it's a shitload stronger mg for mg, 5x I believe. Deca is far more comfortable to cycle I think.

**Retlaw** · 01-10-2011, 03:20 AM

Originally Posted by gsxrguy

Id drop the deca. Thats a rough cycle with all those orals and deca. Your peepee is gonna hate you for it. Id go with test e and tren given the fact this is your 2nd cycle and dead set on going hardcore. IMO you have too much lined up for yourself.

...... You are a idiot !

**JCBourne** · 01-11-2011, 12:10 AM

What about tbol at the end of the cycle?

**JCBourne** · 01-18-2011, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by GymRat707

What about tbol at the end of the cycle?

Still wondering.

**JCBourne** · 01-20-2011, 12:09 AM

**TwisT** · 01-20-2011, 12:18 AM

I don't see any issues with it.. just keep it in moderation. Pushing gains is always fun, but always keep your recovery in respect, and how much more difficult you may be making it for yourself.

-T

**JCBourne** · 01-20-2011, 12:20 AM

So tbol last 6 weeks would be fine? Could I run the tbol right up to PCT time (so it would be 2 weeks of just tbol)

**TwisT** · 01-20-2011, 12:24 AM

I don't see a problem with running it 1 week after you stop test, but I would like to see a full week of 0 AAS compounds before the beginning of PCT.

-T

**ROID** · 01-20-2011, 06:22 AM

Are you using the deca for your joints ?

I would run the last 4 or 6 weeks of your cycle ?

**JCBourne** · 01-20-2011, 09:00 PM

I'm using the deca for size, however I'm very curious what it will do to my back.

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