Thread: ok redone cycle

Post your stats and goals if you want help.

300mg of EQ EW will yield next to nothing, not even a pimple on your ass. Many of us need upwards of at least 600mg EW to yield any real results. Personally, I run 1gr-1200mg a week.

EQ is meant to be used in LONG cycles....14,16,20 weeks. 8 weeks @ 300mg EW will get you nowhere. I would also switch test from sust to anything else. Sust is a poor choice at low doses and has many more sides than single ester tests.



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im 6'3 210 my diet is great i work out about 5-6 days a week hard im trying to get more cut while putting on a little size

and this is my first cycle

OK. How long ago did you start? And what one might think is a good diet may very well not be. What's your daily caloric and protein intake look like?



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Vic is right bro I love EQ but I wouldnt run anything less than 400 ew for less than 15 weeks. Sust is also a bad choice for rookies. Single ester (enanthate would be my choice) shit gives more stable levels. Check into it.

well my diet iis consistent everyday i eat 6 egg whites and 2 peices of wheat bread every morning three hours later i eat a turkey sandwich just turkey and bread with an apple 3 hours later i have a 50 gram protein shake i workout than post workout another shake and dinner i have chicken breast and mixed vegetables than bedtime i drink a 100% casein shake
id say im taking in about 2500 calories a day with 200 - 250 grams of protein

well know i now for next time but ive already got the gear and im doin 300 mg and 500 mg of sust every six days for its gonna be about 8 and a half weeks total i started 4 days ago are results going to be seen with taht diet posted above and the 5 day a week training i do

and i no for being a beginner at this cycling thing i shouldnt be stacking right away but i figured with the low dose of eq it would be ok? im just really worried about going bald i have lots of hair and i love it my dads bald i dont wanna be bald and oh yea when do my balls shrink up

Originally Posted by Pulsated Pec

well my diet iis consistent everyday i eat 6 egg whites and 2 peices of wheat bread every morning three hours later i eat a turkey sandwich just turkey and bread with an apple 3 hours later i have a 50 gram protein shake i workout than post workout another shake and dinner i have chicken breast and mixed vegetables than bedtime i drink a 100% casein shake
id say im taking in about 2500 calories a day with 200 - 250 grams of protein

Not NEARLY enough! Think 4-5k calories a day at least a gram and half of protein per pound of bodyweight a day. Most aas work by maximizing the bodies ability to synthesize the protein you give it thus converting to muscle. Not enough protein= pissing your gear down the drain.

Ur balls aint shrinkin off of this cycle. And if youre worried about it use 250-500 iu of hcg ew to combat it

I eat every 2 hours and I aint talkin a shake and granola bar. Im talkin chicken breast steak some veggies some fruit and sub calorie shakes if I have a appetite surge and eat 2 meals at once, its a learned process takes disapline

Originally Posted by Pulsated Pec

id say im taking in about 2500 calories a day with 200 - 250 grams of protein

See....this is why I ask what people's diets look like. If you don't know some of the basic fundamentals of nutritional science....you aint gona grow bro.

With your stats, I would be aiming for AT LEAST 5000-6000 clean calories a day. And as for your protein intake, you should be taking in 2-2.5gr per body pound. So if you weigh 210 lbs., you want to take at least 420-525gr a day. If you don't do this, you will not grow. It's that simple. The juice may make you a little bloated and puffy, you may be able to lift more weight for a short period of time...but that's about it. Diet is vital....change it before you begin or else you are blowing cash out your ass bro.



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gsxrguy beat me to it....but you see where we are coming from.



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hCG is nearly always a good idea. The leydig cells, that's the ones that make testosterone, are only 10% of the testes volume. they will be shut down on even 50 mg/w of a medium ester testosterone. Additionally, the testes are a steroid factory. They don't just synthesize testosterone. They produce many sex steroids and intermediates. One compound they make is pregnenolone. Pregnenolone is the hub of most steroid synth4esis. It is required for synthesis of all three branches of steroid hormones in the body including sex steroids, glucocorticoids and mineralocorticoids. Essentially all steroids in the body must derive from pregnenolone. Since 1/2 of it is synthesized in the testes it's a good idea to keep your balls in the game. If you want proof just go read an endocrinology text book.

ok i got it more food i thought you can only break down 40 grams of protein at a time does the gear make this more?

ok well this is what i worry about cant your body only break down 40 grams of protein at a time except post workout a little more and i just lost 20 pounds i was at 230 and lost 20 pounds of fat i dont want to put on fat again

eating that many calories a day sounds like i would get fat again

Originally Posted by Pulsated Pec

eating that many calories a day sounds like i would get fat again

I don't know what else to tell you. Some of us have been in the game for over a decade so we do have a general idea of what we are talking about. If you don't like the advice placed before you, move on until you find something that you "THINK" will work. Go and hang out in the Diet & Nutrition section of the board....you will learn a lot if you actually take the time to do so.



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Originally Posted by Pulsated Pec

well know i now for next time but ive already got the gear and im doin 300 mg and 500 mg of sust every six days for its gonna be about 8 and a half weeks total i started 4 days ago are results going to be seen with taht diet posted above and the 5 day a week training i do

Complete waste. You won't see anything from the EQ. It's sad to see gear being throwing away like that. Anything you gain will be from the longer esters of test in the sust.

You are also wasting your sustanon, the way you have it mapped out will cause you to lose the benefits of the shorter acting esters. You are being hard headed so I'm going to let the other guys chime in...if they feel like helping you. Good luck.



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This is a recurring theme. You see guys get on AAS and expect to eat maintenance level and get huge and ripped at the same time. You have to eat to grow. Yes you may add some fat especially if you are not eating clean. Worry about chipping away a little fat after you put on the muscle. If you build a base naturally and pay attention to your body you should know what foods it uses efficiently and what training works for you. That's what building a base is. Over 6'3" and about 210 at probably a realistic 15-16% BF doesn't tell me much. You could be pretty strong or you could be skinny fat with little development. Not knowing you personally and guessing on average I would say you need to learn your body a little better before worrying about juggling compounds.

Originally Posted by Pulsated Pec

ok i currently am on my frist cycle and am doing 500 mg of sust a week broken up to a 250mg every 3 days and 300 mg eq every week broken up to 150 mg every 3 days this is going to last for a little over 8 weeks what do you think

You ought to double your caloric intake. The aas need the additional calories to work the way they're supposed to. Rule of thumb with EQ is no less than 400mg (preferably 500-600mg) each week for at least 12-14 weeks (preferably 16-20). You won't notice much of anything on this p*ssy dose of EQ. Even if you doubled your EQ dose, you would begin to notice the effects in Week 6 or 8 - and then you'd run out of it. Save the EQ for future use. Using it the way you laid out is equivalent to pouring it down the toilet. You should've sought advice and did research prior to starting your cycle and getting your gear. Since you already started it, let us know how it goes but don't say you haven't been warned. You're most likely in for a big disappointment other than perhaps a short-lived bloat from the Sust.

Note for future: Diet must improve.