Test 450 cycle

**YeahBuddy** · 01-10-2011, 12:12 PM

Hello.. yes this is my First Test cycle
I will be running this with dbol 20mg/day
*EDIT*
Test 450 mix of enth, dec, prop, isocar, acetate and cant think of the other...
Ill be get 20cc of this and using about 1c every 4 days.

Newb question??
A PCT that you can use for PH which usually consist of herbs or other ingredients that supposedly restore natural test and block estrogen, too weak as a PCT? Even if i strengthened or increased dosage? or is Nolvadex or Clomid really my only option?

questions? concerns? improvement?
Thanks
yeahhhbuddy

**Work IN Progress** · 01-10-2011, 12:15 PM

??????? 5 Week Cycle ?????????

**YeahBuddy** · 01-10-2011, 12:17 PM

EDITTEDDD 20cc***

**GMO** · 01-10-2011, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by YeahBuddy

A PCT that you can use for PH which usually consist of herbs or other ingredients that supposedly restore natural test and block estrogen, too weak as a PCT? Even if i strengthened or increased dosage? or is Nolvadex or Clomid really my only option?

Seriously? Bro, I implore you to conduct more research before using AAS. You can seriously screw up your body if you don't know what you are doing.

Also, what are your stats? Age, Weight, BF, Training history, etc.?

**YeahBuddy** · 01-10-2011, 06:04 PM

I tried to emphasize the "newb question". Asking questions is part of my research.. And searching doesnt always get the answer u want and thts why im here. Simply stated questions, concerns, improvements? Im still at first base? 5'7, 185, 18 yr, 6 years working out. Involved with powerlifting as well as strongman comps. Now lookin to lean upp

**GMO** · 01-10-2011, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by YeahBuddy

I tried to emphasize the "newb question". Asking questions is part of my research.. And searching doesnt always get the answer u want and thts why im here. Simply stated questions, concerns, improvements? Im still at first base? 5'7, 185, 18 yr, 6 years working out. Involved with powerlifting as well as strongman comps. Now lookin to lean upp

STOP!!! Bro, you DO NOT want to be using AAS at age 18. You could do some serious damage to yourself.

**Damo89** · 01-10-2011, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by GMO

STOP!!! Bro, you DO NOT want to be using AAS at age 18. You could do some serious damage to yourself.

GMO ur clearly a rageing sted head that keeps tryna put younger people off steroids, maybe uv had a bad experience off them when u wer younger i duno, but if sum1 is jus lookin for advice on whats best and safest too take jus either giv them the advice they are after or DONT COMMENT AT ALL!

**ANIMALHAUS** · 01-10-2011, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Damo89

GMO ur clearly a rageing sted head that keeps tryna put younger people off steroids, maybe uv had a bad experience off them when u wer younger i duno, but if sum1 is jus lookin for advice on whats best and safest too take jus either giv them the advice they are after or DONT COMMENT AT ALL!

Ummmmmmmm... No

**GMO** · 01-10-2011, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Damo89

GMO ur clearly a rageing sted head that keeps tryna put younger people off steroids, maybe uv had a bad experience off them when u wer younger i duno, but if sum1 is jus lookin for advice on whats best and safest too take jus either giv them the advice they are after or DONT COMMENT AT ALL!

Just trying to help my friend here not stay 5'7 for the rest of his life with a limp dick.

**Damo89** · 01-10-2011, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by gmo

just trying to help my friend here not stay 5'7 for the rest of his life with a limp dick.

what...like you!

**Phetamine** · 01-10-2011, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Damo89

what...like you!

**YeahBuddy** · 01-10-2011, 06:38 PM

Well according to my growth charts ive plateued at height. Im pretty involved in weightlifting and would say i am advanced. Maybe im crazy but there are far more Pro BB juicing far ahead of my game and more intense. Im simply lokin for answers to get myself lean perferably more defined. Not lookin to be jay cutler

**bknoxx** · 01-10-2011, 06:45 PM

what he is trying to tell you is if you use AAS at ur age u can really harm your body u got a few more years to grow it is not just his opinion it's a Medical fact read more of the stickies and as for damo89 u obviously have some issues lol

**YeahBuddy** · 01-10-2011, 07:18 PM

I think medical fact is really an overstatement because there is no pure medical trials that i am aware of. Maybe the idea of AAS and teen association does sound overwhelming but can one ultimately conclude it as a "bad idea"? Perhaps its more speculation than actual "fact". Doctors can supposedly link many deaths to steroid use simply because they just took steroifs! But theres no medical proof to say so. And we all no that! Steroids what causes acne as the undesirable side effect (sarcasm) but really? Maybe i am too young but to shun down the opportunity seems arrogant IMO. Is there someone here that has or know someone who has taken AAS at 18? Most likely. I would like to hear from them!

**Work IN Progress** · 01-10-2011, 07:47 PM

Can't tell an 18 year old anything cuz they have Already been there and done that.
Why even ask for advice if you are going to shoot it down. Good luck man. Do what you gotta do.

**YeahBuddy** · 01-10-2011, 07:52 PM

Im not saying any of you are stupid. I know you all know exactly what ur talking about. But i want hands on advice/experience not assumptions.

**R108Raven** · 01-10-2011, 08:02 PM

Just research bro. Its all there.

**oufinny** · 01-10-2011, 08:26 PM

You're going to do what you want. If you really want to learn the risks, talk to your doctor or specifically an endocrinologist to learn the risk associated with taking AAS at your age. I didn't take anything until I was 28 and am very happy I waited. Learn the risks before you shoot something you don't need!

**knuggy** · 01-10-2011, 08:29 PM

if u need test at 18 then something is already wrong , go see an endocrinologist

**Work IN Progress** · 01-10-2011, 08:35 PM

Seems unanimous to me what you should do. If your not gaining mass then eat more. Your body is producing ample horomones for you to make gains. Sell the test to some other sucker for a profit and go buy chicken breasts and rice with the money.

**YeahBuddy** · 01-11-2011, 12:29 PM

^^^^^ Thanks!!! (SARCASM)

**isco6** · 01-14-2011, 07:54 PM

Become a elite member and read mick hearts book in the member section and you will get all the info you need. and he has more hands on than any of us here. Good luck.But I really think you should at the very least go to the doctor and get a simple blood test to determin what your base test count and base estrogen count is before you make one hole in your body.

**muscle37** · 01-14-2011, 11:17 PM

first do i think u should do this? No. at 18 yrs old there is no way you are even close to you genetic limit regaardles of your lifting background. with that said im smart enough to know that if you really want to do it...you will. so heres what i think. i would drop the test blend for your first go around. get yourself some test e or test c. at your age and with your own endo test levels around the highest the ever will be im tempted to say to do 250mg/wk...but again lets be real...i wouldnt exceed 500mg/wk in split injections. the only other thing i would even consider is a dbol kickstart...for you...20mg/day. this prob isnt needed but understand that you results prob wont start to surface until week 3 or 4 with a long ester. get yourself an AI like adex or aromasin to combat the estrogenic sides...water retention and gyno. for me it helps with back acne as well. consider hcg will on cycle and as far as that over the counter pct crap feed it to your neighbors cat (sorry if u guys are cat ppl lol) and get yourself some real pct. if u going to step it up and do the real thing then you have to step it up across the board. pct is very important and not something to be lazy with. so yes clomid or nova. i personally prefer clomid. novaldex makes me breakout bad.

with all this being said it would be to your benefit to wait a few years. but we know you wont...so before you start read the stickies...several times. knowledge is power and in this case your body. make sure you have ALL componets before starting. dont go poking urself with test before you have your AIs and PCT. you never know what could happen and u may have to start pct early. good luck and research, research, research!

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