Thread: Planned Cycle - First Post!

Off the bat, the Sustanon dose is way too low. You should be pinning 250mg (1cc) at least E3D due to the short acting esters prop and phenylprop which be out of your system w/in 72 hours. I also believe the Tren E dosage should be at least doubled to 300mg EW and shorten the duration to more than 6 or 7 weeks - Not 10. Dbol dose looks good but 6 weeks is definately the max.

It might behoove you to add an AI such as Arimidex during the cycle right up until you start PCT.

A lot of dumbbell flies and incline bbell presses for middle/upper chest. Make sure the flies are in a slow concentrated manner and twist wrists when dbells come together in order to squeeze the definition of the middle pecs.

Thanks for the reply. I will be pinning twice a week, half Monday and half Thursday. I know the doses are low, but are they too low to get decent results? I thought I would try lower doses since I will be running 4 different types. I also don't have tons of money right now.

I wanted to do a smaller cycle going from February-April, then do a bigger one (the same amounts you listed) from mid June-September.

I haven't heard about doing the tren for a shorter amount of time. Does it have greater stress on the body than other aas?

I will be running a VERY small dose of Letro during the cycle.

Originally Posted by BigBird

Off the bat, the Sustanon dose is way too low. You should be pinning 250mg (1cc) at least E3D due to the short acting esters prop and phenylprop which be out of your system w/in 72 hours. I also believe the Tren E dosage should be at least doubled to 300mg EW and shorten the duration to more than 6 or 7 weeks - Not 10. Dbol dose looks good but 6 weeks is definately the max.

It might behoove you to add an AI such as Arimidex during the cycle right up until you start PCT.

A lot of dumbbell flies and incline bbell presses for middle/upper chest. Make sure the flies are in a slow concentrated manner and twist wrists when dbells come together in order to squeeze the definition of the middle pecs.

This^^^

Originally Posted by BGOTTIR

Thanks for the reply. I will be pinning twice a week, half Monday and half Thursday. I know the doses are low, but are they too low to get decent results? I thought I would try lower doses since I will be running 4 different types. I also don't have tons of money right now.

I wanted to do a smaller cycle going from February-April, then do a bigger one (the same amounts you listed) from mid June-September.

I haven't heard about doing the tren for a shorter amount of time. Does it have greater stress on the body than other aas?

I will be running a VERY small dose of Letro during the cycle.

It's tricky with these multi-ester blends b/c although they seem fancier and exotic on the surface you're not actually getting a high blast of any particular test ester unless you're pinning a full cc at least twice weekly. You'd really be better off going with a single ester such as Enanthate or Cypionate. However this is not to say you cannot be successful with Sustanon b/c you can but you will most likely be disappointed if you're going to depend on the doses and schedule you laid out. The Monday and Thursday schedule would be fine if and only if each shot entailed a full cc of 250mg. If you dont' have enough to do this, save it for when you get more for your next cycle of Sust in June - Sept as you stated. Go with a single ester or get more sust for this cycle.

Regarding the Tren, it is considered too harsh to run for longer than 6-8 weeks consecutively. There are a lot of posts about Tren in this forum you should have no trouble finding.

Sweet! Thanks for the advice. I will go ahead and run 250mg Sust 2x/wk and 150mg Tren E 2x/wk. Fuck it.

What weeks would it be best to run the Tren? From the beginning of my cycle or the last 6-8 weeks of it? Remember, I will also be taking a couple of orals at the beginning, so maybe better to add it in after those?

Drop the sust. Go with Test E or C. Do atleast 500mg/wk split up like you normally planned to do. I'd up the tren to atleast 200-250 also. But that's just me.

Dbol is fine. I like 50mg but 30 is okay. And I really know nothing about the superdrol but I think you'll be okay without it. Run HCG during the cycle. And stick with clomid for the PCT. Run an AI throughout and keep something on hand for the tren gyno.

Alright, sounds like I should switch to Test E or C, so I will do that. Superdrol gets me huge! It should be a serious part of this cycle.

As far as Tren gyno...I know its acts on the progesterone receptors, so letro wont work. Cabergoline I guess? How bad is Tren as far as gyno goes? Occur often? Lower dose better? My source for ancillaries has cabergoline, but its really expensive and would like to avoid it if possible.

i never get it.

but having shit on hand is a must.

test will make my nips sensitive throughout my cycle but the progestrone ones dont effect me at all lol...

everyones different

How did you like methyl 1 testosterone?

-T

M1T worked VERY well for me also. Don't remember the details of it, but I liked it. I actually just found aprrox 150 5mg caps a couple of weeks ago. I am thinking of running that instead of the Superdrol for the last 2 weeks of my cycle...maybe 10mg ED.

Revised Cycle

Wk 1-4 30mg dbol ED, 20mg Superdrol ED, Test E 500mg/wk, Tren E 300mg/wk

Week 5-6 30mg dbol ED, Test E 500mg/wk,Tren E 300mg/wk

Week 7-8 Test E 500mg/wk, Tren E 200mg/wk

Week 9-10 Test E 500mg/wk

Week 11-12 30mg dbol ED, 20mg Superdrol ED (or 10mg M1T ED)

Week 13-18 PCT HCG, Nolva, Clomid

Originally Posted by BGOTTIR

Revised Cycle

Wk 1-4 30mg dbol ED, 20mg Superdrol ED, Test E 500mg/wk, Tren E 300mg/wk

Week 5-6 30mg dbol ED, Test E 500mg/wk,Tren E 300mg/wk

Week 7-8 Test E 500mg/wk, Tren E 200mg/wk

Week 9-10 Test E 500mg/wk

Week 11-12 30mg dbol ED, 20mg Superdrol ED (or 10mg M1T ED)

Week 13-18 PCT HCG, Nolva, Clomid

Looks like fun. Enjoy the ridiculous pumps you are going to get..Keep us posted.

Originally Posted by BGOTTIR

Revised Cycle

Wk 1-4 30mg dbol ED, 20mg Superdrol ED, Test E 500mg/wk, Tren E 300mg/wk

Week 5-6 30mg dbol ED, Test E 500mg/wk,Tren E 300mg/wk

Week 7-8 Test E 500mg/wk, Tren E 200mg/wk

Week 9-10 Test E 500mg/wk

Week 11-12 30mg dbol ED, 20mg Superdrol ED (or 10mg M1T ED)

Week 13-18 PCT HCG, Nolva, Clomid

much much better. no offense ur first cycle sucked. only things i would do differently are. run the hcg throughout the cycle. hcg has shown to be less effective if u are already shut down. the goal here is to prevent yourself from shutting down as much as possible. by week 13...forget it...raisins. id start say week 2...3 pushing it. def get an AI like aromasin or adex to combat estrogenic sides. might not be a bad idea to have some caber/prami on hand for gyno associated with your tren. i dont care for nova i rather clomid but to eachs own i guess. the only other thing i would say and Im not busting your balls is...judging by the very low doses of your proposed cycle (which to me shows a lack of use...4 cycles isnt very much to me) do you think you are ready for tren e? have you tried tren a to see how it effects you? some pretty nasty sides can occur here. most advice trying tren a before using tren e. forget the PH usage. 4 cycles of aas and if they were at doses described in your first cycle doesnt put you ready for tren e esp with a pretty healthy dose of test e. i just hope you arent getting in over your head. hope all goes well as this cycle has the potential for great gains.

...also what do u guys think of dropping the superdrol and taking more dbol. instead of 30mg...say 40 -50? thats what i would do. i have taken every PH over the sun including the two listed here ( superdrol/M1T) and both are hepatotoxic and IMO dont work nearly as good as dbol...so why mess with it? waste of time/money to me. do the real thing i say. with that being said M1T was my favorite PH along with ergopharm 1-AD( used to pop those like tic tacs j/j) and Impact 250 (anybody remember this)?

Originally Posted by muscle37

...also what do u guys think of dropping the superdrol and taking more dbol. instead of 30mg...say 40 -50? thats what i would do. i have taken every PH over the sun including the two listed here ( superdrol/M1T) and both are hepatotoxic and IMO dont work nearly as good as dbol...so why mess with it? waste of time/money to me. do the real thing i say. with that being said M1T was my favorite PH along with ergopharm 1-AD( used to pop those like tic tacs j/j) and Impact 250 (anybody remember this)?

Yes to that. Definately forget the PH in this cycle and up the Dbol to at least 40mg ED. I prefer 50mg ED. The PH won't know what to do b/c it will be kicked and stomped on by the aas!

Thanks for all the suggestions yall! I will be ordering some cabergoline and I have some letro on the way. Sorry, but I have to stick with the superdrol. It's always worked great for me and kicks in very fast- get this cycle going.

As far as the tren e, I have taken tren transdermally using this stuff called phlo gel. I crushed up fina pellets and dissolved them in alcohol. Then I mixed it together with the phlo gel and applied it transdermally 2x/day. Believe it or not, that worked amazingly well. I got fucking huge and lost body fat at the same time. Better than anything I have ever used!

I have also done a test only cycle and 2 test and deca cycles. 500mg/wk test in all, and 300mg/wk with the deca. I'm ready to get shredded with this tren again!

However, I am also wondering whether 300mg/wk is a little high? Maybe 200-250mg/wk would be good to see how I react to it?

Originally Posted by BGOTTIR

Thanks for all the suggestions yall! I will be ordering some cabergoline and I have some letro on the way. Sorry, but I have to stick with the superdrol. It's always worked great for me and kicks in very fast- get this cycle going.

As far as the tren e, I have taken tren transdermally using this stuff called phlo gel. I crushed up fina pellets and dissolved them in alcohol. Then I mixed it together with the phlo gel and applied it transdermally 2x/day. Believe it or not, that worked amazingly well. I got fucking huge and lost body fat at the same time. Better than anything I have ever used!

I have also done a test only cycle and 2 test and deca cycles. 500mg/wk test in all, and 300mg/wk with the deca. I'm ready to get shredded with this tren again!

However, I am also wondering whether 300mg/wk is a little high? Maybe 200-250mg/wk would be good to see how I react to it?

300mg of tren is not too high, especially since you have used it before. I wouldn't do any less.

Originally Posted by BGOTTIR

Revised Cycle

Wk 1-4 30mg dbol ED, 20mg Superdrol ED, Test E 500mg/wk, Tren E 300mg/wk

Week 5-6 30mg dbol ED, Test E 500mg/wk,Tren E 300mg/wk

Week 7-8 Test E 500mg/wk, Tren E 200mg/wk

Week 9-10 Test E 500mg/wk

Week 11-12 30mg dbol ED, 20mg Superdrol ED (or 10mg M1T ED)

Week 13-18 PCT HCG, Nolva, Clomid

I have to ask why so many orals? your going to kill your liver and this cycle seems much more complicated than it needs to be. why don't you instead do something like:
Week 1-5: 40mg ed Dbol
Week 1-10: 500mg Test
Week 1-8: 300mg Tren
Week 9-12 50mg ed Winny or Tbol
Week 13: Start your pct regimen
Another thing i would do is run hcg 500IU weekly throughout instead of at the end. Also i don't see a reason to lower your tren dosage for the last 2 weeks you're on it. This is more like something I would do anyways.

Update...

On week 3 of my tren e and test e cycle. Here is what I am taking:

Test E 500mg/wk
Tren E 300mg/wk
Superdrol 20mg/day
Letro 1.25mg/wk
Finasteride 2.5mg/day
Also: BCAA's, L-glutamine, EFA's, ZMA, Creatine EE, Multi-Vitamins, Milk Thistle

I am on my 4th and final week of the Superdrol, then switching to Dbol for wks 5&6.

My Stats:

Age: 29
Height: 5'10"
Beginning Weight: 180
Current Weight: 190
Beginning BF: < 15%
Current BF: < 13%

(No doubt about 5-7 pounds of that is water weight.)

Workout Routine:

Monday: Heavy chest/tric abs, cardio
Tuesday: Heavy Legs, abs, shrugs
Wednesday: OFF
Thursday: Heavy back/bic, shoulders, abs, cardio
Friday: Light Chest/tric, abs, cardio
Saturday: Light legs, abs, shrugs
Sunday: Light back/bic, shoulders, abs, cardio

Consuming about 3,000 quality calories/day and 225g protein/day.

Gains are great, and the Test E and Tren E from Uncle Z's domestic line are now starting to kick ass! The products are no doubt real and seem to be dosed correctly. Very smooth to inject and no muscle soreness.

The Tren E is shredding me up! The only downside I am seeing with it is the night sweats and insomnia I have read about. The last 3 nights I have woken up and my sheets and pillow are drenched.

The thing I also like about Tren is the fact that it is easy to grow without consuming tons of calories. I am naturally thin, so cutting is never a problem, but I am consuming somewhere around 3,000 quality calories/day and still getting ripped!

Great stack, great products. You won't be disappointed with Z! I'll keep yall updated on my progress.