Thread: shutting down natural test

Most people are against it because most 18-20 year old that come on here are 150lb or dumb as shit most of the time both.

AAS must be done in a mature manner.
Training and diet must be good so they will make gains and keep them.

TBH with you an anavar only cycle is a waste of time.
If your going to shut yourself down make sure its worth it.
Get yourself some Test E or C

But if you know yourself you can wait a few years do it.

if ur young than ur test is at the highest it will be in ur life... why fuck that up?

if ur in a plateau than use a few grams of creatine and up ur protein.

i posted this in another thread about young people that use aas...
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you are missing the other thing....

shutting ur nuts down before they regulate and level off will confuse ur body.

if you do juice as a teenager you better be prepared for the impact that you may not recover correctly. and carrying 100+ lbs of muscle on low t doesnt work!

juice if you must but be prepared to juice for the rest of ur life.

even waiting until ur 20's can screw shit up but shutting ur nuts off after a few years of them starting up seems worse to me.

they suggest to wait simply because
1) ur still growing
2) ur natural test is the HIGHEST it will ever be. why screw that up?
3) give urself time to overcome ur teenage insecurities and peer pressure before you make a decision that will make you need to use illegal hormones for the rest of ur life
4) it takes years to build a good base to go off of.
5) learning a routine and diet take years of trial and error. at 16 or 18 you have no clue what works for you and ur body
6) it takes years of studying and gaining knowledge before you should touch them

so wait, learn, LIVE, then juice.
clear? back me up bros


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hope that helped

^^^^^THIS^^^^but if you insist on using read heavyirons sticky on first cycle and pct about 20 times...and be smart!

i am 18 years old. im 190 lbs right now, i have 12 days left on my bulk. then im doing a 16 week cut down. and thats why i wanted to use var. Just for the last 8 weeks of the 16 i was gonna do a cycle.

12 days on ur bulk? what u talkin bout?

whats ur height and bf?

and nolv alone doesnt help restore test lol. it blocks estro. clomid helps restore test.

i mean i have 12 days left bulking, like i have been bulking up, eating like crazy for the past 4 months putting on muscle. and i am 5'11. right now 20% bf. but by the time i was planning to use var ill prob be round 15%.

and ok if im gonna use clomid for my pct would 100/50/50 be suffice?

yes that looks good.

but i dont recommend shutting urself down for just an anavar cycle...

based on the confusion you had on pct i suggest you read everything again to be sure homie.

that is why we say to wait...

simple mistakes...

You can do it just make sure you run clomid to restore your test levels with the nolvadex. But like Blaze said if your gonna do AAS then make it worth your time. Rune testosterone enenthate or cypionate at 500 mg per week for 10-12 weeks. Twice per week injections. Also I would reccomend HCG to help your boys out while on cycle and to make recovery easier. Also you may want to take armidex at .5mg every other day if you have the money to reduce water weight. But your best bet is to wait until your 21/22 years old, unless your planning on trying to go pro

just i've read so many people saying use nolva or use clomid, i just didnt know what route to go.

And my plan is to be competing next year

i use both together... nolv to block the etsro sides and clo to restore. make sense?

and hcg is good if ur nuts start shrinking

if they shrink than clomid wont work well...

ok well if im gonna use nolva/clomid

what would you say my dosages should be?

Day 1 Clomid 150mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Days 2 - 10 Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg
Days 11 - 21 Nolvadex 20mg
Days 22 - 28 Nolvadex 10mg

ive seen this online

40/20/20 is fine for nolv

and 100/50/50/25 is fine for clo.

i usually frontload clomid a bit on thefirst 2days

Best thing to do John is take about a week or 2 to read throw the stickys here.
Give us your proposed cycle.
With everything included.

Your cycle
AI
PCT
Goal
Diet
Routine [Both weight and cardio]

We will be able to help you get the most out of your cycle.
Right now your a little confused which is normal as the only way to learn is from peoples opinions.

Good luck and Happy reading.

Wait til your in your early 20's. I remember when I was 18 and I realllllly wanted to do one. Well I'm glad I didn't. So many things are unstable in a 18yr old's life.

Originally Posted by blazeftp

Best thing to do John is take about a week or 2 to read throw the stickys here.
Give us your proposed cycle.
With everything included.

Your cycle
AI
PCT
Goal
Diet
Routine [Both weight and cardio]

We will be able to help you get the most out of your cycle.
Right now your a little confused which is normal as the only way to learn is from peoples opinions.

Good luck and Happy reading.

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bump this

Originally Posted by Crank

if ur young than ur test is at the highest it will be in ur life... why fuck that up?

if ur in a plateau than use a few grams of creatine and up ur protein.

i posted this in another thread about young people that use aas...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

you are missing the other thing....

shutting ur nuts down before they regulate and level off will confuse ur body.

if you do juice as a teenager you better be prepared for the impact that you may not recover correctly. and carrying 100+ lbs of muscle on low t doesnt work!

juice if you must but be prepared to juice for the rest of ur life.

even waiting until ur 20's can screw shit up but shutting ur nuts off after a few years of them starting up seems worse to me.

they suggest to wait simply because
1) ur still growing
2) ur natural test is the HIGHEST it will ever be. why screw that up?
3) give urself time to overcome ur teenage insecurities and peer pressure before you make a decision that will make you need to use illegal hormones for the rest of ur life
4) it takes years to build a good base to go off of.
5) learning a routine and diet take years of trial and error. at 16 or 18 you have no clue what works for you and ur body
6) it takes years of studying and gaining knowledge before you should touch them

so wait, learn, LIVE, then juice.
clear? back me up bros


>>>>>>>>>>

hope that helped

What Crank said! You're 18, and if you think that anavar is goin to give you anything that you don't already have then think again. I would buy you a years supply of var if I could have what 18 is again, and know what I know now. LOL. Oh wait I can, but I have to use hormones to get it.

LOL 40mg anavar will do nothing. Its weak. Its a womans drug mainly

Originally Posted by dg806

LOL 40mg anavar will do nothing. Its weak. Its a womans drug mainly

Yep, Var clit is hot.

yeah maybe switch to anadrol only cycle

Originally Posted by Crank

if ur young than ur test is at the highest it will be in ur life... why fuck that up?

if ur in a plateau than use a few grams of creatine and up ur protein.

i posted this in another thread about young people that use aas...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

you are missing the other thing....

shutting ur nuts down before they regulate and level off will confuse ur body.

if you do juice as a teenager you better be prepared for the impact that you may not recover correctly. and carrying 100+ lbs of muscle on low t doesnt work!

juice if you must but be prepared to juice for the rest of ur life.

even waiting until ur 20's can screw shit up but shutting ur nuts off after a few years of them starting up seems worse to me.

they suggest to wait simply because
1) ur still growing
2) ur natural test is the HIGHEST it will ever be. why screw that up?
3) give urself time to overcome ur teenage insecurities and peer pressure before you make a decision that will make you need to use illegal hormones for the rest of ur life
4) it takes years to build a good base to go off of.
5) learning a routine and diet take years of trial and error. at 16 or 18 you have no clue what works for you and ur body
6) it takes years of studying and gaining knowledge before you should touch them

so wait, learn, LIVE, then juice.
clear? back me up bros


>>>>>>>>>>

hope that helped

^^^That's some of the best advice you will receive on this forum.Thank you for saying it, Crank, so I didn't have to.

Originally Posted by Crank

i use both together... nolv to block the etsro sides and clo to restore. make sense?

and hcg is good if ur nuts start shrinking

if they shrink than clomid wont work well...

Discussions of cycles of 8+ weeks like you're planning typically include the suggestion of hcg.

How To Prepare and Dose HCG

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/pr...reference.html

I think these would be worth your time. A lot of consistent information in both topics.

I think you still have a lot of potentially naturally given your age and weight. Good luck with whatever you decide. There are certainly some smart folks willing to help you out here.

Originally Posted by blazeftp

Best thing to do John is take about a week or 2 to read throw the stickys here.
Give us your proposed cycle.
With everything included.

Your cycle
AI
PCT
Goal
Diet
Routine [Both weight and cardio]

We will be able to help you get the most out of your cycle.
Right now your a little confused which is normal as the only way to learn is from peoples opinions.

Good luck and Happy reading.

My cycle week 1-8:
anavar 40mg ed - split in 2 doses of 20mg each

PCT week 9-11:
nolva - 40/20/20
Clomid - 100/50/50

My goal is to lose body fat while retaining the most muscle mass possible

My diet is as followed :

Meal 1
12 egg whites
1 whole egg
1.5 cup broccoli
12 almonds
6.5 oz grapefruit

meal 2
2.5 scoops whey
2 tbsp peanut butter
1.5 cup broccoli

meal 3
7 oz chicken
1.5 cup broccoli
2 tbsp peanut butter

meal 4
7 oz chicken
1.5 cup broccoli
18 almonds

meal 5
7 oz chicken
18 almonds
1.5 cup broccoli

meal 6
2.5 scoops whey
1.5 cup broccoli
3 oz avocado
6.5 oz grapefruit

total of:
294g of protein supplying 1176 cals
120g of carbs supplying 480 cals
90g of fat supplying 810 cals


My training is as followed:

Day 1: chest abs
Day 2: Back
Day 3: off
Day 4: shoulders
Day 5: arms and calves
Day 6: legs abs
DAy 7: off

After ever workout 30-45 min of low intensity cardio. and 4 weeks leading up to due date adding 1 extra day of high intensity cardio to help burn any extra fat. My Cut is 16 weeks, so week 13-16 is going to have an extra day of the high intensity cardio.