Thread: PCT for Deca

Don't mix Nolva w/ any 19-Nor stuff such as Deca. The Clmid is really the staple of most people's pct. 100mg ED Week 1. Week 2 is 75mg ED. Weeks 3-4 take 50mg ED. Stop Deca a good 2 or even 3 weeks prior to last shot of test. Then start pct two weeks after last shot test. Don't go more than 4-5 weeks on the Dbol assuming you're using it as a jumpstart for Weeks 1-5.

i would run the ai from day one and get some caber just in case of prolactin

Originally Posted by BigBird

Don't mix Nolva w/ any 19-Nor stuff such as Deca. The Clmid is really the staple of most people's pct. 100mg ED Week 1. Week 2 is 75mg ED. Weeks 3-4 take 50mg ED. Stop Deca a good 2 or even 3 weeks prior to last shot of test. Then start pct two weeks after last shot test. Don't go more than 4-5 weeks on the Dbol assuming you're using it as a jumpstart for Weeks 1-5.

WTF you mean dont mix nolva with any 19-nor? thats the first i have ever herd U dont know what your talking about, there for U should not give advice.

hcg should be in a cycle. but I have done allot of 19 nor my pct has allways been clom/nolva like this

clom- 100/100/50/50
nolva- 40/40/20/20

who the fuck runs nolva on there second wk of pct at 75mg?

bro do not give advice U dont know what your talking about.

So should I run Nolva or no? any other opinions? And if I should not run Nolva is clomid alone enough?

Originally Posted by Livebig14

So should I run Nolva or no? any other opinions? And if I should not run Nolva is clomid alone enough?

YES you should allways run nolva/clom for PCT

Originally Posted by DEE151

WTF you mean dont mix nolva with any 19-nor? thats the first i have ever herd U dont know what your talking about, there for U should not give advice.

hcg should be in a cycle. but I have done allot of 19 nor my pct has allways been clom/nolva like this

clom- 100/100/50/50
nolva- 40/40/20/20

who the fuck runs nolva on there second wk of pct at 75mg?

bro do not give advice U dont know what your talking about.

Wow wow calm the fuck down....

Nolva shouldn't been run with Deca as it can cause progesterone side effects,

Nolva has been linked in many Scientific studies on how it can up-regulate the progesterone receptor which may cause progesterone related gyno.

And since Deca causes progesterone related gyno it might be a bad idea to mix the 2.

Originally Posted by blazeftp

Wow wow calm the fuck down....

Nolva shouldn't been run with Deca as it can cause progesterone side effects,

Nolva has been linked in many Scientific studies on how it can up-regulate the progesterone receptor which may cause progesterone related gyno.

And since Deca causes progesterone related gyno it might be a bad idea to mix the 2.

thanks blaze so is clomid enough for PCT? or do I need something else? Im willing to spend as much as I have to so if theres anything else please let me know. thanks

Originally Posted by blazeftp

Wow wow calm the fuck down....

Nolva shouldn't been run with Deca as it can cause progesterone side effects,

Nolva has been linked in many Scientific studies on how it can up-regulate the progesterone receptor which may cause progesterone related gyno.

And since Deca causes progesterone related gyno it might be a bad idea to mix the 2.

but the nolva would be taken after 2wks of the last test shot. so how is that going to cause gyno wen your not shooting gear from there on?

If you use Nolvadex with either Deca or Tren ur gonna grow shit you don't want, like progesterone induced gyno

Originally Posted by DEE151

but the nolva would be taken after 2wks of the last test shot. so how is that going to cause gyno wen your not shooting gear from there on?

From what i remember about it.
Nolvadex up-regulate the progesterone receptor.
So even with Deca gone you are still got a substance in your body causing progesterone related gyno.

There has been other studies as well that show if the dose of NOLVADEX was high enough if could stop the anything forming in the progesterone receptor.

Why risk it ?

Clomid is all you need for PCT. Nolva is old old old school for running PCT. A few other reasons why we don't use it is because it lowers your HGH and IGF levels. Not ideal when your body is in the finishing state of a cycle. This issue comes up from time to time when the old timers chime in.



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Originally Posted by DEE151

WTF you mean dont mix nolva with any 19-nor? thats the first i have ever herd U dont know what your talking about, there for U should not give advice.

hcg should be in a cycle. but I have done allot of 19 nor my pct has allways been clom/nolva like this

clom- 100/100/50/50
nolva- 40/40/20/20

who the fuck runs nolva on there second wk of pct at 75mg?

bro do not give advice U dont know what your talking about.

Then go right ahead and consume massive amounts of Nolva throughout your cycle you dumb fucking punk. You're not supposed to run Nolva during a cycle involving a 19-Nor; however it's ok to run with pct, but I don't have a clue what I'm talking about. Do whatever the fuck you want Sweet Pea.

Originally Posted by DEE151

WTF you mean dont mix nolva with any 19-nor? thats the first i have ever herd U dont know what your talking about, there for U should not give advice.

hcg should be in a cycle. but I have done allot of 19 nor my pct has allways been clom/nolva like this

clom- 100/100/50/50
nolva- 40/40/20/20

who the fuck runs nolva on there second wk of pct at 75mg?

bro do not give advice U dont know what your talking about.

None of us run nolva at 75mg during the second week of PCT....or 0mg for that matter. ONLY IN AN EMERGENCY when gyno is present.

Bigbird & blazeftp are correct and their advice is sound. Perhaps it's you that doesn't know what he's talking about? The AI should begin on day one until your last day of PCT. Relax and learn bro. The guys above are helping you, don't be stubborn about it.


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Originally Posted by DEE151

YES you should allways run nolva/clom for PCT

NO, YOU SHOULDN'T!

With a long ester test, start clomid ALONE 2-3 weeks after your last shot. Something like 100/100/75/50. Day one & two, blast 200mg.



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I smell a newbile that just got lit up in here.

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

NO, YOU SHOULDN'T!

With a long ester test, start clomid ALONE 2-3 weeks after your last shot. Something like 100/100/75/50. Day one & two, blast 200mg.



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thanks victor. That helps a lot. Great info.

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

Clomid is all you need for PCT. Nolva is old old old school for running PCT. A few other reasons why we don't use it is because it lowers your HGH and IGF levels. Not ideal when your body is in the finishing state of a cycle. This issue comes up from time to time when the old timers chime in.



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Agree. You might want to think about cortisol control as well. Something like Erase from PES or EndoAmp from primordial.

This does bring up a question though... why don't most PCT recommendations include anything to help lipids/heart and control cortisol? SERM is of course the go to for estrogen control/regulation, but still. One should want to optimize PCT as much as possible, right?

Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy

Agree. You might want to think about cortisol control as well. Something like Erase from PES or EndoAmp from primordial.

This does bring up a question though... why don't most PCT recommendations include anything to help lipids/heart and control cortisol? SERM is of course the go to for estrogen control/regulation, but still. One should want to optimize PCT as much as possible, right?

alright and how long would I run the Erase or EndoAmp for?