Thread: Increasing Test Cyp mid cycle

Originally Posted by NuklearFusion

Hello everyone. I am looking for feedback from the experienced on this board about increasing Test Cyp half way through a cycle?

I am on a TRT cycle of 200mg Test Cyp, 200mg Deca for 10 weeks with 2mg of adex a week. While the TRT is doing its job, I was wondering if it was a good idea to make the cycle 12 weeks and increasing test weeks 6-12 consisting of a total of 400mg test each week. Is this safe or worth doing or should I kick up the test next cycle?

I know longer lasting esters like cyp take time to kick in. I also know it is better to keep levels consistent and not sure of increasing test is worth it. If I understand front loading, this is kinda opposite, but I'm no expert. Only had 4 cycles before now.

Yes, especially since your Deca to test ratio is 1:1. Ideally it should be 1.5:1 or 2:1. Increasing your Test will get you there. Stop the Deca at wk 10 and continue the Test through week 12, then start your PCT.

Thanks GMO for the feedback. I wasn't sure whether or not increasing the long ester test would really do much. I have done 250 Test Cyp and 200 Deca before and it worked great but the Test was higher than deca.

I know very little about TRT because I always just cycle. But my opinion is that the test should always be twice what the deca is to prevent you from having deca dick. But in some of my cycles and what a lot of guys like to do is up their dose at wk 8 OR add compounds. The theory behind this is at about wk 8 your body gets used to what you are doing and it more or less just stabilizes so by adding more you can continue to grow for say a 12 wk cycle.
Another thing some guys like to do is add a oral at the end for say the last 4 wks. This way you can continue with the orals while you are waiting for the esters to clear prior to PCT.

Originally Posted by GMO

Yes, especially since your Deca to test ratio is 1:1. Ideally it should be 1.5:1 or 2:1. Increasing your Test will get you there. Stop the Deca at wk 10 and continue the Test through week 12, then start your PCT.

Sorry, should have said start your PCT at week 14. You will be fine to bump up your dosage even though it is a long ester. Most people do anyway around week 6-8. Best of luck!

Originally Posted by GMO

Sorry, should have said start your PCT at week 14. You will be fine to bump up your dosage even though it is a long ester. Most people do anyway around week 6-8. Best of luck!

Again, GMO, thanks for the feedback! I was just worried and wanted some good advice. I'll increase the test to 400mg starting week 6 and increase the test run from 10 weeks to 12. That will give me 2 extra weeks of test injections after deca is finished.

Stupid question. I know Arimidex is an AI, but can it not be used for PCT? I know you can take clomid or nolvadex, but everyone has a different opinion about which is better. I heard clomid has some crappy sides associated with it, but what the hell do I know. One thing to mention, the current regimen provided by my doc has no PCT, probably because it is TRT and not used for cycling like other AAS users.

200mg of cyp is probably putting you into the high-normal range as it is. The rationale behind cycling for athletic performance is to get your levels into supra-physiological ranges. Double or triple the dose.

One of the mods posted up reasons why increasing you dosages mid cycle would be beneficial. I think it was HeavyIron.

I'll try and look up the article or post.

The overall Idea is that it would be good to increase dose after a certain number of weeks to keep your gains from leveling off.

Originally Posted by NuklearFusion

Again, GMO, thanks for the feedback! I was just worried and wanted some good advice. I'll increase the test to 400mg starting week 6 and increase the test run from 10 weeks to 12. That will give me 2 extra weeks of test injections after deca is finished.

Stupid question. I know Arimidex is an AI, but can it not be used for PCT? I know you can take clomid or nolvadex, but everyone has a different opinion about which is better. I heard clomid has some crappy sides associated with it, but what the hell do I know. One thing to mention, the current regimen provided by my doc has no PCT, probably because it is TRT and not used for cycling like other AAS users.

If you are continuing on TRT, you won't need PCT because your HPTA is going to remain shut down anyway.

If you aren't on permanent TRT, then your doc should take care of your PCT. If not, you will need to get your hands on HCG and Clomid. Arimidex will not help to restore natural test levels, and you cannot use Nolva and Deca together.

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Originally Posted by GMO

If you are continuing on TRT, you won't need PCT because your HPTA is going to remain shut down anyway.

If you aren't on permanent TRT, then your doc should take care of your PCT. If not, you will need to get your hands on HCG and Clomid. Arimidex will not help to restore natural test levels, and you cannot use Nolva and Deca together.

You want to use HCG while the ester clears and during your cycle. Clomid is a PCT must, but an A/I can be useful during PCT as well. Many go with Arimidex, but Adex works fine, and the A/I is usually taken in smaller doses during PCT than on-cycle. All of this is considering that you are coming off completely, and not continuing on TRT.

He's on TRT so he wont be doing PCT as far as I know, at least not a typical. How old are you Nuk? If you are 40 or older make sure you watch your red cells. They tend to go high in older guys on TRT especially when they go to pharmaceutical doses, that is outside of normal range. Bhasin has some articles why this is so.