Thread: pct help

So your PCT is longer than your cycle?

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

So your PCT is longer than your cycle?

ya thats why i have this thread up is to fix the kinks in my cycle. The reason i thought that is because im not using nolvadex or anything really strong (prescription), im using inhibit-e so i was figuring it would need a stronger dose at the beginning for a longer period.
Im guessing im wrong though?

I always use torem as my SERM for pct and usually add in some resveratrol around week 3 of pct, sustain alpha is my usual choice. I haven't run mdrol but is seems like a serm and if you want add sustain alpha. That would be my recommendation.

Originally Posted by HATEFULone

I always use torem as my SERM for pct and usually add in some resveratrol around week 3 of pct, sustain alpha is my usual choice. I haven't run mdrol but is seems like a serm and if you want add sustain alpha. That would be my recommendation.

I googled it and found a pretty good amount of info on Toremifene (fareston), but where could i buy it if it turns out this is what i need for my pct?

My PCT for SD is usually:

Nolva, dth, daa, vit c and hawthorn berries

Estro should not be a prob with SD but if it is then I would introduce an AI like inhibit-e in wk3-4 of my pct at a high dose and tapper down for 4wks...that's just me and works for me every time...

get blood work done before and after if possible

Originally Posted by atrocity

Hi, iv read alot about ph's and the gains/sides etc.. people have had from them. I have had experience in the past with tren extreme, but my pct was bad and i didnt have any good gains. Im 24, 6'3" 190lbs. Im thinking about doing a m-drol cycle in a few weeks and wanted too see if my pct was good enough to keep the gains.

M-drol by competitive edge labs (3 week cycle) 10mg per cap.
week 1, 20mg a day
week 2, 20mg a day
week 3, 30mg a day

Pct ( 4 weeks)
Inhibit-e by sns 25mg per cap, Reduce xt by sns 50mg per cap.
week 1, 75mg inhibit-e per day, 50mg reduce xt
week 2, 75mg inhibit-e per day, 50mg reduce xt
week 3, 50mg inhibit-e per day, 50mg reduce xt
week 4, 50mg inhibit-e per day, 50mg reduce xt.
---I will also be taking 300mg Milk thistle 2 times a day too help my liver.

Please post any concerns, questions you have. Also if you could please give me info to as if this PCT is good enough for me to have good gains.

I would run the M-drol for a full 4 weeks, but that is up to you.

You will need to run Clomid or Nolva for PCT with M-Drol. It is a strong compound that will shut your natural test production down. I would not rely on OTC PCT remedies.

IF Clomid run 50/50/50/50
Nolva: 20/20/20/20

That should get you back in the game.

Originally Posted by atrocity

I googled it and found a pretty good amount of info on Toremifene (fareston), but where could i buy it if it turns out this is what i need for my pct?

Can't post asking for sources on here bro, sorry. But if you look around on here you should be able to find your answers.

Originally Posted by bulldogz

My PCT for SD is usually:

Nolva, dth, daa, vit c and hawthorn berries

Estro should not be a prob with SD but if it is then I would introduce an AI like inhibit-e in wk3-4 of my pct at a high dose and tapper down for 4wks...that's just me and works for me every time...

get blood work done before and after if possible

What brand daa did you use? I used pp's tcf-1, and how long did you run the daa for? And yeah 3g vitamin c a day for the cortisol control.

I will also be taking 300mg Milk thistle 2 times a day too help my liver.

Dude you need better liver support then just the milk thistle. SD is very liver toxic and also super hard on the body. You need to run "Cycle Support" two weeks prior to starting SD cycle and on through PCT. I'd do a little more research on this before going into a cycle.

You will definitely want to pass on the Inhibit E as it acts as an anti-androgen in the brain and kills libido in most people. I am also a fan of toremifene and TCF-1 for PCT as it ensures proper HPTA restoration and a nice boost in test while being low on side effects.

Originally Posted by james-27

Dude you need better liver support then just the milk thistle. SD is very liver toxic and also super hard on the body. You need to run "Cycle Support" two weeks prior to starting SD cycle and on through PCT. I'd do a little more research on this before going into a cycle.

Cycle Support is okay.. its just a little bit of this and that, that doesnt add up to something substantial. Im not a fan of kitchen sink fomulas. You either need to put full doses that are effective in your product or not. Liver Juice is straight up Milk Thistle, in high quantities and much more absorbable than any other milk thistle product out there. I would add NAC and take that before your meals as well, an excellent add on for liver protection. That and just up your water.

Originally Posted by GMO

I would run the M-drol for a full 4 weeks, but that is up to you.

You will need to run Clomid or Nolva for PCT with M-Drol. It is a strong compound that will shut your natural test production down. I would not rely on OTC PCT remedies.

IF Clomid run 50/50/50/50
Nolva: 20/20/20/20

That should get you back in the game.

alright thanks, so just for clarification. Clomid (clomiphene) at 50mg per pill = 1 pill per day for 4 weeks. Thats all i should take for pct? And im not sure if i can ask this but have any of you guys used 4rx.com? can i trust them

Originally Posted by HATEFULone

What brand daa did you use? I used pp's tcf-1, and how long did you run the daa for? And yeah 3g vitamin c a day for the cortisol control.

I use bulk nutra planet but I also have TCF-1 from PP....I run the bulk daa for 4wks at 2.6g per day

Also forgot to mention I use liver juice from PP with an SD cycle...1 dose in the morning when I wake up and 1 dose 30mins before bed...

Originally Posted by bulldogz

I use bulk nutra planet but I also have TCF-1 from PP....I run the bulk daa for 4wks at 2.6g per day

Also forgot to mention I use liver juice from PP with an SD cycle...1 dose in the morning when I wake up and 1 dose 30mins before bed...

I like liver juice as well, and I have ran the tcf-1 for 12 on 12 off and also 36 days straight, didn't notice much difference either way, but definitely a staple in my pct's now, really helped in the libido department.

Originally Posted by HATEFULone

I like liver juice as well, and I have ran the tcf-1 for 12 on 12 off and also 36 days straight, didn't notice much difference either way, but definitely a staple in my pct's now, really helped in the libido department.

Hell yeah bro, I was horny as fvck by the 2nd wk on daa...daa along with dth for me for my pct's

With regards to liver juice/milk thistle; would you want to start this before you began your m-drol and continue it into your pct?

I would keep some nolva on hand after PCT, Superdrol is know for rebound gyno that can occur weeks after PCT...I heard to many stories about this, that is why I chose to stay away from it.

Originally Posted by SilentBob187

With regards to liver juice/milk thistle; would you want to start this before you began your m-drol and continue it into your pct?

He should do that. SERMs still have a bit of hepatoxicity to them.

i will take the milk thistle a few weeks prior to my cycle, then continue it all through out my pct. But just to clarify, Clomid (clomiphene) at 50mg per pill = 1 pill per day for 4 weeks. Thats all i should take for pct?

You gotta have a SERM for Sdrol. It will shut you down.

Originally Posted by cavtrooper96

You gotta have a SERM for Sdrol. It will shut you down.

correct me if im wrong but that would be Clomid that im talking about

Originally Posted by SilentBob187

With regards to liver juice/milk thistle; would you want to start this before you began your m-drol and continue it into your pct?

If I rememeber to take it a few wks before the cycle I would if not, I still take it during cycle and in pct and even a few wks after pct...

Originally Posted by atrocity

correct me if im wrong but that would be Clomid that im talking about

Nolva/Clomid/Torem. <---You decide between the three of these that fall into the category of "SERM"

I advocate running a OTC PCT along side a SERM, in order to allow for lower dosing of the SERM, and more areas of coverage. I will be doing the TRS + Clomid for my AndroMass cycle.

Originally Posted by bulldogz

If I rememeber to take it a few wks before the cycle I would if not, I still take it during cycle and in pct and even a few wks after pct...

This sounds perfect and used as I would use it.

Originally Posted by atrocity

i will take the milk thistle a few weeks prior to my cycle, then continue it all through out my pct. But just to clarify, Clomid (clomiphene) at 50mg per pill = 1 pill per day for 4 weeks. Thats all i should take for pct?

As far as the Clomid, 1 pill a day for four weeks should work fine. Some kick it off with larger doses for a few days, and larger doses throughout. I take 200 for a few days the first week then run it 100/100/75/50. Clomid is my favorite option. Nolva is fairly useless because it counteracts the PCT process in a number of key ways.

Originally Posted by MDR

As far as the Clomid, 1 pill a day for four weeks should work fine. Some kick it off with larger doses for a few days, and larger doses throughout. I take 200 for a few days the first week then run it 100/100/75/50. Clomid is my favorite option. Nolva is fairly useless because it counteracts the PCT process in a number of key ways.

Alright thanks! would you suggest running an OTC PTC along with the serm as the guy above stated? or upping the dosage 100/100/75/50 be alright?

Originally Posted by atrocity

Alright thanks! would you suggest running an OTC PTC along with the serm as the guy above stated? or upping the dosage 100/100/75/50 be alright?

I like to have things on hand if you feel as though you need them. Plus, you'll probably use it at one time or another.

Originally Posted by Rodja

I like to have things on hand if you feel as though you need them. Plus, you'll probably use it at one time or another.

alright thank you guys for all the help! im going to start my cycle as soon as i find a website to order the clomid and i recieve it. I will update later with before and after pics

Originally Posted by HereToStudy

Nolva/Clomid/Torem. <---You decide between the three of these that fall into the category of "SERM"

I advocate running a OTC PCT along side a SERM, in order to allow for lower dosing of the SERM, and more areas of coverage. I will be doing the TRS + Clomid for my AndroMass cycle.

What does your whole cycle look like including pct? I heard the androseries keeps getting pushed back though, so not sure if I will be running it early or later in the year.