Thread: My proposed 2nd cycle...

My 2 cents, and I have no presonal experience with Tren, although I do plan on using it on my next cycle...

1) I understand the ramping up of the test doses, but why after 2 weeks? I'd do:

1-6 500mg/EW
7-8 600mg/EW
9-12 750mg/EW

2) If you're pinning Tren A and a long estered Test, may as well pin the Tren ED. For 2 reasons... A) You'll be pinning Test 2X/EW (Sun/Wed or Mon/Thur). So if you're pinning the Tren EOD, EOW you will basically be pinning ED anyway, as that's just how the days work out. B) It seems as if Tren/A sides are more pronounced on EOD pinning.

Like I said, I have no personal Tren experience, This is just how I would do it. So take this with a grain of salt... Here's what I would do with the same gear:

1-6 Test E 500mg/EW (250mg/2XW)
7-12 Test E 750mg/EW (375mg/2XW)
1-8 Tren A 50mg/EOD (350mg/Week)
8-12 Winny 50mg/ED

Good luck...

Thanks Buzzard! That does make since with the ed shots cause i'll already be pinning 5 days a week pretty much anyways. And those Test dosages seem pretty right on also. My main fear is getting some tren dick like I have read about....That is unacceptable!!

So if my number crunching is correct I'll need 4 bottles of Test and 4 bottles of Tren A for this cycle. So Ill order 5 of each too have excess in case I wanna up some dosages and the winny tabs.

Hell~

man since you are running short ester gear why not go with test p. pin 50mg test p, 50mg tren a, ed.

Does anyone go off anymore?

Lol... HRT. So I don't.

Originally Posted by Buzzard

Lol... HRT. So I don't.

Man I'm on TRT too but I still come off when my red cells get to high for reg blood donation to get it right. Still think it's good to get off once in a while just to let things normalize best as they can. If your blood work is all good though can't see why to go off though.

Originally Posted by SUPERFLY1234

man since you are running short ester gear why not go with test p. pin 50mg test p, 50mg tren a, ed.

Ive been thinking this too.....My main reason for the test e is because after I finish my current cycle next week and cruise for the time, i'll still have 3 vials left. I guess I could use the test e to up my dose of test half way thru the tren cycle?

So something like....??
1 -8 50mg prop/50mg tren ED
5-8 250 test e weekly
8-12 750 test e
8-12 50mg winny ed

Originally Posted by Glycomann

Does anyone go off anymore?

LOL, I was wondering the same thing. I hate coming off.

But it's a necessary evil I suppose.

Originally Posted by BigBird

LOL, I was wondering the same thing. I hate coming off.

But it's a necessary evil I suppose.

LOL...While I am still able to recover my natty test production, I will always come off. And usually for a good amount of time...4-6 months or so. I think this is a necessary evil to maintain good health. I can see doing low amounts of test 365, but at the quantities I use...NO WAY, bro! Not too mention my poor liver getting bombarded with 17a's cuz I love my orals.

Very good point GMO. We're lucky enough to rebound and get our natty production going again so it'd be foolish to play russian roulette at this stage.

I keep going back and forth between either stacking test e or test p with the tren a.......It just seems that I could keep the test at a higher dose/level easier and more cost effectively with the test E?

Originally Posted by Hell

I keep going back and forth between either stacking test e or test p with the tren a.......It just seems that I could keep the test at a higher dose/level easier and more cost effectively with the test E?

I personally think you are fine either way. Which ever is more cost effective. You'll be pinning ED anyway.

After the cycle u just run, I think youre going to be pretty disappointed with 50mg prop Ed. That's only 350mg per week.

Originally Posted by Buzzard

My 2 cents, and I have no presonal experience with Tren, although I do plan on using it on my next cycle...

1) I understand the ramping up of the test doses, but why after 2 weeks? I'd do:

1-6 500mg/EW
7-8 600mg/EW
9-12 750mg/EW

2) If you're pinning Tren A and a long estered Test, may as well pin the Tren ED. For 2 reasons... A) You'll be pinning Test 2X/EW (Sun/Wed or Mon/Thur). So if you're pinning the Tren EOD, EOW you will basically be pinning ED anyway, as that's just how the days work out. B) It seems as if Tren/A sides are more pronounced on EOD pinning.

Like I said, I have no personal Tren experience, This is just how I would do it. So take this with a grain of salt... Here's what I would do with the same gear:

1-6 Test E 500mg/EW (250mg/2XW)
7-12 Test E 750mg/EW (375mg/2XW)
1-8 Tren A 50mg/EOD (350mg/Week)
8-12 Winny 50mg/ED

Good luck...

I don't know I guess it will work. I would just run the test at 750 from week one and run the winstrol and tren at the same time, from week 8 on. Also dosing the tren EOD is a bad idea, ED is ideal.

The bottom line is NONE of it is going to work if your diet isn't on point. Running the winstrol at 10% BF or higher is just a waste, make sure you're under.

Originally Posted by brandon123

After the cycle u just run, I think youre going to be pretty disappointed with 50mg prop Ed. That's only 350mg per week.

I agree brandon, I have decided to just stick with test e and start at 600mg a week for the first 4-5 weeks, then up it to 750 for the remainder.

Originally Posted by CT

I don't know I guess it will work. I would just run the test at 750 from week one and run the winstrol and tren at the same time, from week 8 on. Also dosing the tren EOD is a bad idea, ED is ideal.

The bottom line is NONE of it is going to work if your diet isn't on point. Running the winstrol at 10% BF or higher is just a waste, make sure you're under.

Thanks CT! I agree I will be doing the tren ed for best results. My bf right now is definitely not 10% or less. I was around 12% when I started my cycle but it has gone up through the cycle along with my strength. Been eating like a horse.

Why though do u suggest the tren at the end along with the winny?

Because HOPEFULLY by then you're at your leanest and then the compounds will yield much better results.

Your diet is everything, without it nothing is going to happen no matter how many sets or reps you do nor how much cardio you do.

You can actually get by with minimal cardio by using short rest intervals and supersets. You have to know what you're doing to make it work.

Originally Posted by CT

I don't know I guess it will work. I would just run the test at 750 from week one and run the winstrol and tren at the same time, from week 8 on. Also dosing the tren EOD is a bad idea, ED is ideal.

The bottom line is NONE of it is going to work if your diet isn't on point. Running the winstrol at 10% BF or higher is just a waste, make sure you're under.

I agree with this!

Thanks Ct and Cav, that does make since.

Before I started my current cycle I lost 30 lbs in 3 months doing exactly that, short rest intervals, super-sets, etc... with 20-30 minutes of cardio ed. Since I started this bulk I gave myself the break on the cardio and my bf has gone up with my muscle mass. Gonna go ahead and start my cardio back up and get the process started.

Thanks again guys!!

Originally Posted by CT

I don't know I guess it will work. I would just run the test at 750 from week one and run the winstrol and tren at the same time, from week 8 on. Also dosing the tren EOD is a bad idea, ED is ideal.

The bottom line is NONE of it is going to work if your diet isn't on point. Running the winstrol at 10% BF or higher is just a waste, make sure you're under.

I meant ED anyway... 50mg/EOD doesn't amount to much. LOL

Yea, I decided on just using Test E & C. I have 3 bottles of Test e, 1 bottle of prop, & 1 bottle of suspension unopened, on hand and made an order for 4 bottles of Test C along with 5 bottles of Tren A and the winny tabs yesterday. I'll use the prop and suspension the first 2 weeks to help get it jump started.

Thanks again for all the help gentlemen!!

Hell~

Get this thing rolling! I wanna see what the tren does to you so I know what to expect.