Thread: First Cycle. Let me know what you think!!!

looks good i don't know anything abt deca... Milk Thistle - 1 serving per day in the morning ??? how much i take 4000mg a day wally world has 1000mg caps $7 not bad

Armidex - .25mg every other day

I would up that dosage to .25 ed (at least)

my 2ml's of input.

Originally Posted by bknoxx

looks good i don't know anything abt deca... Milk Thistle - 1 serving per day in the morning ??? how much i take 4000mg a day wally world has 1000mg caps $7 not bad

I was just going to take whatever the reccomended dose is because im also going to be takin anabolic innovations cycle support

Originally Posted by Livebig14

I was just going to take whatever the reccomended dose is because im also going to be takin anabolic innovations cycle support

ok i gotcha i just use milkthistle for liver gonna try cycle support from ironlabs next time

Is there a reason you decided to use so many compounds right from the gate?
You do understand that each one of those drugs carries potential side effects?
If you do have issues how do you plan on knowing what to do about it if you have no experience with any of those compounds you wont know whats doing what.

Best idea is to run 500mg test only for 10 weeks....then solid PCT.
next cycle if things go well perhaps up the dose of test or maybe add in dbol or deca but not both.
Doing things this way acclimates your body to the drugs slowly and reduces the potential for sides.
Trust me on this.....if your a newb 600mg test alone is gonna be a bomber cycle.
600test+dbol+deca is gonna be FAR more than you need....or really want to deal with at this time.

If you decide to ignore me thats ok .....but at least use .5 mg adex ED if so....maybe more...because your gonna look like a pufferfish with a sunburn.

It might be worth it to drop the Deca since this is your first cycle. You're really not going to need the extra horsepower from the Deca and you'll be better able to gauge any and all possible side effects if you're just running one injectable. Ok to keep the Dbol as a jumpstart but start the Adex at 0.5mg EOD versus ED because usually this dose EOD is sufficient. If it's not then you can just increase to ED.

There are various ways to run the Clomid during pct and I personally have success with 100mg ED in Week 1, 75mg ED week 2 and 50mg ED weeks 3 & 4.

Good luck. Seems like you have a solid foundation and you're at a good age for first cycle. Drink a ton of water, get a lot of sleep, do NOT overtrain (4-5 days working out per week is enough) and eat properly. Enjoy the ride. And welcome to the "club."

Originally Posted by bknoxx

ok i gotcha i just use milkthistle for liver gonna try cycle support from ironlabs next time

yeah ive used it while on a prohormone before and it worked very well. I liked it.

Originally Posted by brundel

Is there a reason you decided to use so many compounds right from the gate?
You do understand that each one of those drugs carries potential side effects?
If you do have issues how do you plan on knowing what to do about it if you have no experience with any of those compounds you wont know whats doing what.

Best idea is to run 500mg test only for 10 weeks....then solid PCT.
next cycle if things go well perhaps up the dose of test or maybe add in dbol or deca but not both.
Doing things this way acclimates your body to the drugs slowly and reduces the potential for sides.
Trust me on this.....if your a newb 600mg test alone is gonna be a bomber cycle.
600test+dbol+deca is gonna be FAR more than you need....or really want to deal with at this time.

Yeah man I totally understand what your saying. Im debating whether or not im going to run the deca. My buddy ran the same cycle as this for his first and had great results and said the deca really helped his joints. Also he said that when your receptors are fresher you will get more gains so this is why i decided on this cycle also he ran it with no sides except acne. But thanks I am considering dropping the deca.

Originally Posted by BigBird

It might be worth it to drop the Deca since this is your first cycle. You're really not going to need the extra horsepower from the Deca and you'll be better able to gauge any and all possible side effects if you're just running one injectable. Ok to keep the Dbol as a jumpstart but start the Adex at 0.5mg EOD versus ED because usually this dose EOD is sufficient. If it's not then you can just increase to ED.

There are various ways to run the Clomid during pct and I personally have success with 100mg ED in Week 1, 75mg ED week 2 and 50mg ED weeks 3 & 4.

Good luck. Seems like you have a solid foundation and you're at a good age for first cycle. Drink a ton of water, get a lot of sleep, do NOT overtrain (4-5 days working out per week is enough) and eat properly. Enjoy the ride. And welcome to the "club."

alright thanks man. I will probably run the armidex at 0.5mg every other day. That should be enough.

It's your first cycle, kinda young, I would stick with a test only cycle. What you have outlined above is not for a novice/first time user.

All you really need is test, AI, HCG, and clomid.


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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

It's your first cycle, kinda young, I would stick with a test only cycle. What you have outlined above is not for a novice/first time user.

All you really need is test, AI, HCG, and clomid.


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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

It's your first cycle, kinda young, I would stick with a test only cycle. What you have outlined above is not for a novice/first time user.

All you really need is test, AI, HCG, and clomid.


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so basically drop the d bol and deca. Have you ever heard of someone getting better results by using more on their first cycle because their receptors are fresher? Is this true? Im just wondering if this is true or not because my buddy at my gym told me this and he ran test deca and dbol for his first cycle and gained 41 pounds and kept 35.

He may have gained 41 and kept 35 but I assure you its not all muscle tissue.
I have a buddy who just ran his first cycle.
test only.
He went from 198 to 245......
He was bloated like a dead water buffalo.

Now hes off and hes down to about 225 but hes still carrying some water and fat.
So hes up 27lbs..but probably half of that is actual muscle tissue.

My first cycle was test prop. 50mg eod.
I gained about 30lbs.
I had moonface and had no neck from all the water retention....

Your first cycle your body just doesnt know how to react so it kinda freaks out.
This is not only in regards to androgens but also estrogen and prolactin.
Keeping this in mind you could run test only and be fine.

Look at it this way........

How many cycles do you think an average AAS user has run?

If people kept 35lbs a cycle they would 1500lbs.

Victor Martinez was talking about this in his latest in the trenches vid.
He was saying all the guys saying they gained 20lbs a cycle needed to teach him something because after each YEAR of training hes lucky to gain 5-6lbs of actual muscle in contest condition.
Trust me this guy has done AAS for 10+ years straight at many times the dose you propose and he has an exceptional reaction to the drugs as most pros do...

5-6 lbs is what he is happy to gain per year.

Originally Posted by Livebig14

so basically drop the d bol and deca. Have you ever heard of someone getting better results by using more on their first cycle because their receptors are fresher? Is this true? Im just wondering if this is true or not because my buddy at my gym told me this and he ran test deca and dbol for his first cycle and gained 41 pounds and kept 35.

Your buddy may have gained 41 pounds, but it's not LBM, it's fat and water for the most part. In the 15 years or so that I've been at this game, I have never heard of anyone gaining 41 pounds and keeping 35 of it. If I was in your shoes, I would run a test only cycle first and see how your body responds. A little dbol up front to get things going isn't a bad idea....but for the most part, I usually suggest a test only cycle. Run the test for 12-14 weeks and see where that gets ya. Be sure to intake the right amount of protein and clean calories....the magic happens in the kitchen, not with the juice.



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great minds.

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

Your buddy may have gained 41 pounds, but it's not LBM, it's fat and water for the most part. In the 15 years or so that I've been at this game, I have never heard of anyone gaining 41 pounds and keeping 35 of it. If I was in your shoes, I would run a test only cycle first and see how your body responds. A little dbol up front to get things going isn't a bad idea....but for the most part, I usually suggest a test only cycle. Run the test for 12-14 weeks and see where that gets ya. Be sure to intake the right amount of protein and clean calories....the magic happens in the kitchen, not with the juice.



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yes I think the diet is the biggest part of it. And my buddy SAYS he kept 35 but I think its more like 25 ive never seen him on the scale. But he definatley got fucking huge. My elbows kill me though because i am constantly going hard and heavy would say 100mg of deca a week help the joints?

Originally Posted by brundel

Look at it this way........

How many cycles do you think an average AAS user has run?

If people kept 35lbs a cycle they would 1500lbs.

Victor Martinez was talking about this in his latest in the trenches vid.
He was saying all the guys saying they gained 20lbs a cycle needed to teach him something because after each YEAR of training hes lucky to gain 5-6lbs of actual muscle in contest condition.
Trust me this guy has done AAS for 10+ years straight at many times the dose you propose and he has an exceptional reaction to the drugs as most pros do...

5-6 lbs is what he is happy to gain per year.

wow I never would have thought 5-6 pounds per year is all they go for but they are professionals for a reason. and my buddy got some really bad stretch marks in his chest and tris from growing so fast. I think they look shitty

Originally Posted by brundel

great minds.

Ya beat me to the punch.....and yes, great minds often do think alike!



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Originally Posted by Livebig14

My elbows kill me though because i am constantly going hard and heavy would say 100mg of deca a week help the joints?

Yes, that could help. Before doing so, try giving Met-RX Joint Gaurd a try. I only have problems with my joints when I run winny, and because I always run tren, I keep away from deca. Met-RX Joint Gaurd has worked well for me in the past, as has deca. Try and find something that includes Glucosamine, Chrondotin, MSM and also a fish oil. It will help....and it's better than adding another anabolic to a starters program.




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Dbol 50mg 1-5
Test 500 1-6
Test 600-750 1-8

Adex .25 ED or EOD
Clomid PCT

That's all you need brother.

I swear MSM saves me.
I had the worst pain in my forearm and elbow for months....Started MSM @3g x2 daily and after a week I could tell there was a huge reduction in the level of pain..

I could barely raise a coffee cup......after 2 weeks I went back to doing forward raises.
The pain has been gone for 3 years.

man i would deff run the deca and dbol with your cycle you will be fine and you deff dont want to miss out. the only thing i would change is maybe starting out at 500 test and 300 deca for first couple weeks and then move up for the rest. theres is a lot of people way younger than you that start out taking a lot more than what you are and are completely fine and loved every minute of it. you dont have anything to worry about using all of these compounds.

alright everyone thanks for the info. Im going to try some joint support but if that doesnt work im probably going to run some deca with the test and dbol.

Originally Posted by DDinks88

man i would deff run the deca and dbol with your cycle you will be fine and you deff dont want to miss out....you dont have anything to worry about using all of these compounds.

Nothing to worry about eh? Aside from your advice.



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Originally Posted by DDinks88

man i would deff run the deca and dbol with your cycle you will be fine and you deff dont want to miss out. the only thing i would change is maybe starting out at 500 test and 300 deca for first couple weeks and then move up for the rest. theres is a lot of people way younger than you that start out taking a lot more than what you are and are completely fine and loved every minute of it. you dont have anything to worry about using all of these compounds.

whats the advice here? be dumber than the dumbfucks. he seems to have his mind set. but i have no doubt he will look back in a few years and say "damn that shit was dumb". hope u change your mind lil bro. one word......... unnecessary!

Originally Posted by DDinks88

man i would deff run the deca and dbol with your cycle you will be fine and you deff dont want to miss out. the only thing i would change is maybe starting out at 500 test and 300 deca for first couple weeks and then move up for the rest. theres is a lot of people way younger than you that start out taking a lot more than what you are and are completely fine and loved every minute of it. you dont have anything to worry about using all of these compounds.

This is terrible.

Remember this guy is running his first cycle.
Sure people run bigger cycles than what he proposes, however, people make stupid choices every day. He is here asking questions so that he doesnt make one. Its irresponsible at best to suggest he just take whatever with no apparent rhyme or reason.
In addition, although his original proposed dosages are not at all high, they are certainly high for a first cycle and AAS are not without their inherent risks. I just had a buddy of mine have a stroke....He is 35..There is no question abusing AAS contributed to his lack of health. There is a right and wrong way to do things.
In this case safe and sane is best.
If down the line the guy has run a few cycles and he is aware of how his body will rspond he can up the ante and add in new compounds as he sees fit.
Some guys can run 2k mg of test weekly with little to no issues.
Some have every issue known at 500mg

Take it slow. Its not a race.
There is no reason to gamble your health and wellbeing because some guy on the internet says "dont miss out"

Your not missing shit bro. Your 24 and there is PLENTY of time to run more and larger cycles.