Thread: dbol vs tbol

Originally Posted by Chino0823

i know about dbol but tbol the only thing i know its low sides and less water? But is is tbol really better for bulking then dbol? Am just planing ahead of time. am taken deca sustanon and tbol or maybe dbol? am going into my cutting cycle then bulk!! Am 32 5 5 bench 245 curl 80 to 100 training for ten years on and off. new to the aas.

People will usually say dbol is better for bulking because it can convert to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme... but imo your diet is going to have a bigger effect on if you bulk or cut than the steroid you use.

well am useing it for bulking my diet is in check but is tbol good for bulking?

Originally Posted by Chino0823

well am useing it for bulking my diet is in check but is tbol good for bulking?

I prefer tbol, I think dbol, is better for bulking, but tbol is dryer and cleaner, due to the non estro conversion.

i want the size am pretty big for my size just dont want that water look u know

1) For some reason I diet easier when using dbol and funny enough I dont bloat out when my diet is clean.

2) There is nothing as anti catabolic imho as Dbol, therfore it is excellent and as I lean out I grow at the same time!

3) All the old boys in th 70's used it for contest prep and they were without a doubt the most ripped and aesthetic.

4)There is a substance that helps you burn fat, I was reading about it but forgot the word. It does help burn fat if estrogen and diet is in check.

5) Sure it holds some water but nitrogen retention is vital when your put in a catbolic enviroment.

6)It helps you lift heavy when your in a calorie deficit, again most welcome at that stage when you need your strength to retain your size.

7)Nothing makes you look more ripped than when your muscle have water inside and you have managed to keep sub q water at bay and after a workout... my god your about to exlode!

At the end of the day its the diet that determines how well you look but I beleive that this is a very valuable aid.

The diet is so true !!!

Originally Posted by Chino0823

i know about dbol but tbol the only thing i know its low sides and less water? But is is tbol really better for bulking then dbol? Am just planing ahead of time. am taken deca sustanon and tbol or maybe dbol?.

here some detailed infos regarding OT )

The easiest way to explain this drug is that it is a potent derivative of Dianabol or a cross between methandrostenolone and clostebol for "the science guys". Though it is a derivative of good old Dianabol, it does have some differences.

First it has a low level of androgenic activity compared to Dianabol, but a better balance of anabolic and androgenic effects. OT has a rating of a 6 for androgenic properties and a 53 for anabolic properties based on a scale of 1 to 100. (In comparison: the androgenic effect of Dianabol is 45 and its anabolic effect is 90.)

Oral-Turinabol thus has milligram for milligram a lower effect than Dianabol. It is therefore not a steroid that causes a rapid gain in strength, weight, and muscle mass. Rather, the achievable results manifest themselves in a solid muscle gain and, if taken over several weeks, also in a good strength gain. This promotes more of a "hard and large" look. You do not get the same "puffy and large" look as you would on Dianabol, Testosterone or Anadrol 50. The maximum blood concentration of Oral-Turinabol when taking 10, 20 or 40 mg/day is 1.5 -3.5 or 4.5 times the endogenous testosterone concentration. This clearly shows that the effectiveness of this compound strongly depends on the dosage.

OT has cholesterol reducing effects at lower dosages, and even with higher doses its not even near as hard on cholesterol as Winstrol. But Winstrol is famous for tuning your cholesterol levels to shit. OT is about one third cheaper than Anavar.

Second, the 4-alpha halogenation (the chlorine atom at carbon #4) inhibits the drugs ability to be aromatised. This is a huge plus in most people's eyes and is the reason Oral Turinabol has been called a "gentle d-bol." A user will probably not see any clinical manifestations of estrogenic side effects at the normal doses of this drug. Studies of male athletes who over a period of six weeks were given 10 mg Oral Turinabol per day did not show any indications of health-threatening effects. It has been recommended that men should take between 20-40mg every day and women a 5mg every day by various "gurus".

In our experience bodybuilders take 8-10 tablets of 5 mg, that is 40-50 mg/day. Many enthusiastically report good results with this dosage: one builds a solid muscle mass, the strength gain is worthwhile seeing, the water retention is very low, and the estrogen-caused side effects are rare. Not without good reason OT is also popular among powerlifters and weightlifters who appreciate these characteristics.

Due to its characteristics OT is also a suitable steroid both for men and women in competitions. A usually very effective stack for male bodybuilders consists of 50 mg OT/day, 228 mg Parabolan/week, and 150 mg Winstrol Depot/week. Those who have brought their body fat content to a low level by dieting and/or by using fatburning substances (e.g. Clenbuterol, Ephedrine, Salbutamol, Cytomel, Triacana), will find that the above steroid combination will manifest itself in hard, sharply-defined but still dense and full muscles. No enlarged breasts, no estrogen surplus, and no watery, puffy-look-ing muscle system. If OT were available on the U.S. black market for steroids, bodybuilders, powerlifters, and weightlifters would go crazy for this East German anabolic.

OT enjoys a great popularity since it is quickly broken down by the body and the metabolites are excreted relatively quickly through the urine. The often-posed question regarding how many days before a test OT can be taken in order to be "clean" is difficult to answer specifically or in general. We know from a reli-able source that athletes who only take OT as a steroid and who, in part, take dosages of 10- 15 tablets/day, have discontinued the com-pound exactly five days before a doping test and tested negative. These indications are supported by the fact that even positive urine analyses have rarely mentioned the names Oral-Turinabol or chlordehydromethyl-testosterone.

The potential side effects of OT usually depend on the dosage level and are gender-specific. in women, depending on their predisposi-tion, the usual virilization symptoms occur and increase when dos-ages of more than 20 mg per day are taken over a prolonged time. In men the already discussed reduced testosterone production can rarely be avoided. Gynecomastia occurs rarely with OT Since the response of the water and electrolyte household is not overly dis-tinct athletes only rarely report water retention and high blood pressure. Acne, gastrointestinal pain, and uncontrolled aggressive behavior are also the exception rather than the rule with OT An increased libido is reported in most cases by both sexes. Since the substance chlordehydromethyltestosterone is I 7-alpha alkylated the manufacturer in its package insert recommends that the liver func-tion be checked regularly since it can be negatively affected by high dosages and the risk of possible liver damage cannot be excluded. Thus OT is also a steroid that can be taken without interruption for long intervals. Studies of male athletes who over a period of six weeks were given 10 mg OT/day did not show any indications of health-threatening effects.

There is some really fascinating information about Oral Turinabol in an older journal article (Clinical Chemistry. 1997;43:1262-1279 - Hormonal doping and androgenization of athletes: a secret program of the German Democratic Republic government by Werner W. Franke and Brigitte Berendonk). Please refer to this website for more detailed information:

Hormonal doping and androgenization of athletes: a secret program of the German Democratic Republic government -- Franke and Berendonk 43 (7): 1262 -- Clinical Chemistry

Dbol > Tbol. By a lot.

Originally Posted by CT

Dbol > Tbol. By a lot.

I'm sure this is true. However, would you consider TBol a good choice for an individual on a calorie deficient cutting cycle?

Originally Posted by colorado

I'm sure this is true. However, would you consider TBol a good choice for an individual on a calorie deficient cutting cycle?

No.

I am biased, I just don't like T-bol. I think it's totally over rated and a complete waste. There are better compounds out there for cutting and bulking.

So you saying Tbol not any good?

I did tbol 70mg ed did not see much of anything.Dbol much better for bulking or cutting if you play your cards right

Originally Posted by Chino0823

So you saying Tbol not any good?

I'm also not a huge fan of it....far better options IMHO.




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Originally Posted by Chino0823

So you saying Tbol not any good?

No. I'm saying I don't like it and I think it's a waste.

Humm shity I order Tbol I guess I will run it and see how it works for me but so why it cost much more then dbol. I guess i will ask my source if he could switch for me, if not I will give it a run.

I'm concluding my cycle with T-bol now. I have leaned out a bit without weight loss. I am a lot more vascular, and my strength has increased after hitting a bit of a plateau mid cycle. This is week 5 of T-bol with one more week to go until PCT. IMO it is good stuff. Is it better than D-bol? It all depends on what you are looking for. The size and strength gains from d-bol are the s**t, and it is probably one of my fav AAS.

I've never tried dbol, but i have tried tbol and i actually loved the dry gain i got. I ran it at 70-80mg day. Loved it

i like tbol actually more than dbol. it's all opinion. dbol you gain alot fast only to lose it all when you get off. tbol what you see during cycle you pretty much keep.

Originally Posted by TheRealOG

i like tbol actually more than dbol. it's all opinion. dbol you gain alot fast only to lose it all when you get off. tbol what you see during cycle you pretty much keep.

Bulls**t. You do not lose your gains from d-bol, unless you're an idiot and don't know how to PCT.

Originally Posted by GMO

Bulls**t. You do not lose your gains from d-bol, unless you're an idiot and don't know how to PCT.

Agreed. You can keep most of it if your PCT and diet are in check.



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What ur pct am a idiot !! Nov or hcg? Am far alway from this cycle am going to my cutting cycle then my bulk that's with dbol or Tbol not sure yet

what's the best pct for d-bol

bump

pct for dbol is the same as any other pct, and you should be using test with it anyway

Wouldn't super dmz probably be a better substitute then t-bol? Seems like you get the dry gains you want with tbol with a little more kick. T-bol also doesn't seem that easy to find but maybe i'm not searching hard enough.