Thread: lets see who flames me...

Not enough gear...you are just shutting your own test down...from the sounds of your goals I believe you could do that without gear...not trying to flame you...just my opinion...

that might be just enough to help you hang onto muscle while youre in a major caloric deficit.

sust needs to be shot eod for good blood levels... would u shoot prop or ace once or twice a week? no.

i wish someone would make a sticky, im tired of explaining this to the gear illiterate lol.

i dont understand why most of the ppl here say you need to do at least 500mg a week of test. thats like 7 times the bodys natural production. whats wrong with 3-5 times?

ill add more next time if this doesnt work good. id rather do less and build my way up then do too much and have bad side effects.

and i think stacking 2 different compounds(Test and EQ) is better to confuse the receptors instead of doing just Test

Originally Posted by Crank

sust needs to be shot eod for good blood levels... would u shoot prop or ace once or twice a week? no.

i wish someone would make a sticky, im tired of explaining this to the gear illiterate lol.

im gonna do every 3-4 days. the blood levels wont be perfect but what is in this world?

i dont wanna pin myself EOD yet. my 1st cycle was once a week this time itll be twice a week and maybe ill do some Prop for my 3rd time and do that EOD. we will see

Originally Posted by scaryclown34

i dont understand why most of the ppl here say you need to do at least 500mg a week of test. thats like 7 times the bodys natural production. whats wrong with 3-5 times?

ill add more next time if this doesnt work good. id rather do less and build my way up then do too much and have bad side effects.

and i think stacking 2 different compounds(Test and EQ) is better to confuse the receptors instead of doing just Test

Do what you think is best.

I wouldn't bother with the EQ unless you extended your cycle out 4 or 5 weeks. I don't think you would be happy with the results.

I always made good gains on low dose cycles, 300-400mg test a week. I guess it depends on the person.

I feel most people do much more than needed, most people say use 500-750mg EW for noobs.....I never got that, I guess most feel that more is better and I disagree with that.


As for your cycle, it seems fine. Run it, take notes every week and then after it's over you can logically use that data to determine what your next cycle should be.

Originally Posted by scaryclown34

im gonna do every 3-4 days. the blood levels wont be perfect but what is in this world?

i dont wanna pin myself EOD yet. my 1st cycle was once a week this time itll be twice a week and maybe ill do some Prop for my 3rd time and do that EOD. we will see

Why did you go with sustanon ?

Originally Posted by scaryclown34

i dont understand why most of the ppl here say you need to do at least 500mg a week of test. thats like 7 times the bodys natural production. whats wrong with 3-5 times?

ill add more next time if this doesnt work good. id rather do less and build my way up then do too much and have bad side effects.

and i think stacking 2 different compounds(Test and EQ) is better to confuse the receptors instead of doing just Test

Bro,tryed and true methods work, stop trying to reinvent the wheel.
Read the stickys. or do what you want and waste your time and money.

Originally Posted by Retlaw

Bro,tryed and true methods work, stop trying to reinvent the wheel.
Read the stickys. or do what you want and waste your time and money.

well im scared ill be wasting money if i buy 2 bottles of test instead of 1 and only getting slightly better results. i gained strength in a pretty good amount of time compared to what i was doing before and also considering i was losing weight.

if i did 500 a week the entire time of my 1st cycle im i would have been able to lift 10-20 pounds more on the big lifts, deads bench press, squat military press but im scared that if u do thats how muscles get torn. when u stretch them TOO quick

Originally Posted by ROID

Why did you go with sustanon ?

i read it was fine to do sustanon once a week cuz of the long esters that it has in it. i guess it would be OPTIMAL to do EOD but ill settlle for in the middle and do twice a week

its a waste of money in my opinion. had it been cyp or enth on the test maybe hed see better results.

if ur willingly miss using sust and adding eq rather than just bumping up ur test and running it 12 weeks than its ur call

u want people that have experience giving support. but when ur proposed cycle is off and people try to explain it to you and u dont budge than just dont post in the first place lol.

everyone will have a slightly diff approach but the underlying advice will be the same... drop the sust if ur only shooting once a week. and up ur test.

sust 250 after u figure for the esters is really only 170mg ish if not less. how is that 3 times ur normal levels?

you would be happier with cyp or enth

Originally Posted by Crank

sust needs to be shot eod for good blood levels... would u shoot prop or ace once or twice a week? no.

i wish someone would make a sticky, im tired of explaining this to the gear illiterate lol.

It's probably not a sticky because it isn't true. Sust is specifically designed to maintain stable blood levels. Once to twice a week injections are common and have produced excellent gains for individuals. Anecdotal evidence significantly supports this claim.

Originally Posted by scaryclown34

i dont understand why most of the ppl here say you need to do at least 500mg a week of test. thats like 7 times the bodys natural production. whats wrong with 3-5 times?

ill add more next time if this doesnt work good. id rather do less and build my way up then do too much and have bad side effects.

and i think stacking 2 different compounds(Test and EQ) is better to confuse the receptors instead of doing just Test

What I don't understand is why you are using any gear at all. You want to loose 10 lbs and get to 13% bf!? I'm sorry but that is pathetic and doesn't warrant AAS use in the slightest...

As far as your moderate dose philosophy, I agree with you. You should also loose that Arimidex. You don't need it at those dosages and it can actually be counter productive. Use Nolvadex eod and kick it to every day for PCT.

it was designed for a once a month shot lol. doesnt mean shit. to build muscle and if you want a GREAT cycle than run sust eod. 750mg a WEEK is NOTHING to some people. some do 2000mg a week.

you can have more sides running sust ur way. thats fine. any real juicer understands that prop has a half life of 24 hrs...

dont like what im saying but its true.

thats why no doctors use sust anymore. they prescribe cyp or enth 9 times outa 10 because its more stable.

Originally Posted by scaryclown34

i read it was fine to do sustanon once a week cuz of the long esters that it has in it. i guess it would be OPTIMAL to do EOD but ill settlle for in the middle and do twice a week

Its fine for HRT not for bodybuilding purposes.

I'm using sust right now. M/W/F is my routine.

EOD would be the best.

Originally Posted by Crank

it was designed for a once a month shot lol. doesnt mean shit. to build muscle and if you want a GREAT cycle than run sust eod. 750mg a WEEK is NOTHING to some people. some do 2000mg a week.

you can have more sides running sust ur way. thats fine. any real juicer understands that prop has a half life of 24 hrs...

dont like what im saying but its true.

thats why no doctors use sust anymore. they prescribe cyp or enth 9 times outa 10 because its more stable.

I never said it wasn't ideal to inject eod to maximize the Prop. If I ever had to use Sust again that's what I would do. But does it HAVE TO BE? No.

And something tells me a guy using AAS to get down to 13% and to only loose 10lbs isn't anywhere near a "real juicer"... so you may want to consider picking the right advice for the right audience.

I don't have beef with you, I'm just only on 2,ooo calories a day and I am just a generally miserable fuck now...

Originally Posted by Roughneck_91

It's probably not a sticky because it isn't true. Sust is specifically designed to maintain stable blood levels. Once to twice a week injections are common and have produced excellent gains for individuals. Anecdotal evidence significantly supports this claim.



What I don't understand is why you are using any gear at all. You want to loose 10 lbs and get to 13% bf!? I'm sorry but that is pathetic and doesn't warrant AAS use in the slightest...

As far as your moderate dose philosophy, I agree with you. You should also loose that Arimidex. You don't need it at those dosages and it can actually be counter productive. Use Nolvadex eod and kick it to every day for PCT.

why are you using gear ?

always use an AI.

How is arimidex counter productive ? because you dont bloat up and have the illusion of muscle ?

Nolvadex shouldn't be used at all. Way better options now.

Using sustanon only once or twice a week makes no sense for someone trying to build muscle.

You will have to explain to me how to keep stable blood levels with once x week injection.

lol. ok. i just wanted clown dude to realize that its not ideal

all good brother.

i can tell u sust ed was the best cycle ever lol

why are you using gear ?

Me?

always use an AI.

How is arimidex counter productive ? because you dont bloat up and have the illusion of muscle ?

Well if Scaryclown is willing to get blood work done often to monitor his levels then Arimidex should be fine. But I doubt he is. Negative side effects? Hmm... do I really need to explain the dangers and draw backs of too low of estrogen levels?

Nolvadex shouldn't be used at all. Way better options now.

That doesn't mean Nolvadex is obsolete. For the price and decades of anecdotal research I would say it is pretty damn good actually.

Using sustanon only once or twice a week makes no sense for someone trying to build muscle.

Arguable. But your right, NOT ideal.

You will have to explain to me how to keep stable blood levels with once x week injection.

Perhaps I should ask, do you inject Cypionate every other day?

Originally Posted by scaryclown34

i dont understand why most of the ppl here say you need to do at least 500mg a week of test. thats like 7 times the bodys natural production. whats wrong with 3-5 times?

ill add more next time if this doesnt work good. id rather do less and build my way up then do too much and have bad side effects.

and i think stacking 2 different compounds(Test and EQ) is better to confuse the receptors instead of doing just Test

I'll do something sililar after being off for some months but I am on TRT so after 3 months off my test levels are like 100 ng/dl. So adding in 200-250 mg of test and a little anabolic works great to get me going again. Then after 6 weeks or so I change compounds up a little and double the amounts.

As far as diet, AAS work best when there is adequate nutrition in place. Dieting on cycle is a bit wasteful. The better way to do it might be to diet down before the cycle getting your bodyfat to a lower level eating really clean and at a slight deficit with plenty of activity. This primes the pump so to speak. Keep protein highish at around a gram per lbs of lean mass. Then get on and keep the diet super clean and add in some cals mostly in the form of protein with enough good clean carbs and and fats to drive metabolism. That's what I try to do mostly.

As far as doses you have to find your sweet spot and it is a little different for everyone and it's a moving target depending on past use, tome off and time on.

I'm not going back and forth with this.

Use and AI and forget about Nolvadex.

Nolvadex is just an estrogen blocker in select tissues. It also knocks down IGF-1 and can cause problems with the eyes much like clomifene. You are much better of using an AI as they directly block estrogen synthesis and are titratable meaning you can adjust dose and dial in your estrogen. ROID gets sick of explaining this. Frankly so do I. I'm sure there is a sticky that relates this.

Reading all of this makes my bewbs hurt.

im doing 500 mg sust and 300 mg eq every 6 days broken up in halves every three days its working fine i was planning on 250 sust a week but i bumped it up your gonna wanna extend the cycle to at least 16 weeks for optimal results thats what im doing 16 weeks at those doses im currently on my fourth week

Originally Posted by scaryclown34

my next cycle is planned to be(and going to stay as)

250mg Sust week 1-12
200mg EQ week 1-10
arimidex .25 mg a day or .5mg EOD

PCT

nolvadex 40mg day week 14-16
20 mg day week 16-18

i will do 2 shots a week mixing the sust 125 and eq 100 so 225mg per shot.

stats

5-11
23
190 lbs
15% body fat

i did 1 cycle of just Test E for 12 weeks low doses of 250-400mg a week and enjoyed the results. so i figured id add EQ in this time, i wanna lower my body fat to 13% so i figure if i lose 10 lbs with this cycle and get stronger then my body fat will be lower. i mean thats what happened my first cycle. lost 10 lbs and came out stronger. so i think these doses will help me accomplish this. then for my 3rd cycle i might do higher doses since i will probly be trying to add lean muscle weight and bulk up since ill be at a better bf%

The Test Prop and Phenylprop will be out of your system w/in 48 hours. That leaves only 160mg of other Test esters in your blood for the other 5 days. Not an impressive amount.

200mg EW of EQ is going to produce results that are barely noticeable, if at all. Bump the EQ to AT LEAST 400mg EW. And you'll start to notice the improved vascularity in Week 8-10 but then you'll have no more. EQ is best ran for at least 16 weeks. 14 weeks at the very least.

Originally Posted by Roughneck_91

It's probably not a sticky because it isn't true. Sust is specifically designed to maintain stable blood levels. Once to twice a week injections are common and have produced excellent gains for individuals. Anecdotal evidence significantly supports this claim.



What I don't understand is why you are using any gear at all. You want to loose 10 lbs and get to 13% bf!? I'm sorry but that is pathetic and doesn't warrant AAS use in the slightest...

As far as your moderate dose philosophy, I agree with you. You should also loose that Arimidex. You don't need it at those dosages and it can actually be counter productive. Use Nolvadex eod and kick it to every day for PCT.

Can you post this information? Seeing that prop has a half life of 36 hours at best EVEN if other data shows 4.5 days. How can you possibly justify this answer? Sust does NOT lead to stable blood levels if dosed twice a week, it's impossible.

Originally Posted by scaryclown34

my next cycle is planned to be(and going to stay as)

250mg Sust week 1-12
200mg EQ week 1-10
arimidex .25 mg a day or .5mg EOD

PCT

nolvadex 40mg day week 14-16
20 mg day week 16-18

i will do 2 shots a week mixing the sust 125 and eq 100 so 225mg per shot.

stats

5-11
23
190 lbs
15% body fat

i did 1 cycle of just Test E for 12 weeks low doses of 250-400mg a week and enjoyed the results. so i figured id add EQ in this time, i wanna lower my body fat to 13% so i figure if i lose 10 lbs with this cycle and get stronger then my body fat will be lower. i mean thats what happened my first cycle. lost 10 lbs and came out stronger. so i think these doses will help me accomplish this. then for my 3rd cycle i might do higher doses since i will probly be trying to add lean muscle weight and bulk up since ill be at a better bf%

My buddy is only running sus 250 once a week, and hes gotten tighter and actually shed some bf. This is a low dose, but its working nice and clean for him. I read your post's, and no one even mentions hcg???

Originally Posted by scaryclown34

my next cycle is planned to be(and going to stay as)

250mg Sust week 1-12
200mg EQ week 1-10
arimidex .25 mg a day or .5mg EOD

PCT

nolvadex 40mg day week 14-16
20 mg day week 16-18

i will do 2 shots a week mixing the sust 125 and eq 100 so 225mg per shot.

stats

5-11
23
190 lbs
15% body fat

i did 1 cycle of just Test E for 12 weeks low doses of 250-400mg a week and enjoyed the results. so i figured id add EQ in this time, i wanna lower my body fat to 13% so i figure if i lose 10 lbs with this cycle and get stronger then my body fat will be lower. i mean thats what happened my first cycle. lost 10 lbs and came out stronger. so i think these doses will help me accomplish this. then for my 3rd cycle i might do higher doses since i will probly be trying to add lean muscle weight and bulk up since ill be at a better bf%

200 mg of eq wont be enough. I would run at least 400mg to start then bump up to 600mg a week. Brother, 200 of eq isnt shit! Women dose higher then that. "not making fun" just pointing it out.