Thread: Cycle Critique

you should start aromasin on day one. run hgc on week two a 500iu a week, i would run dbol and winny for at least 4 weeks , the aromasin will help you with the bloat.

Originally Posted by SUPERFLY1234

you should start aromasin on day one. run hgc on week two a 500iu a week, i would run dbol and winny for at least 4 weeks , the aromasin will help you with the bloat.

500hcg week 2 to 13? (One shot a week?)

The reason I chose 20 days was due to they come in packs of 20 50mg.

i dont touch hcg till my last test shot and stop before i start pct 18 days later.... works fine for me. other bros do it during the cycle. but we get the same exact results in the end!

Originally Posted by Crank

i dont touch hcg till my last test shot and stop before i start pct 18 days later.... works fine for me. other bros do it during the cycle. but we get the same exact results in the end!

So 18 days after your last shot you take how much for how long?

i take it for a good 2 weeks solid from last shot. 1000ui a week. and my nuts bounce back. if urs dont up it a little. but i notice by my second shot that they are bouncing back. everyone bounces back differently.

Originally Posted by Crank

i take it for a good 2 weeks solid from last shot. 1000ui a week. and my nuts bounce back. if urs dont up it a little. but i notice by my second shot that they are bouncing back. everyone bounces back differently.

2 shots of 500? for 2 weeks?

Start clomid on WK 16-20....100/100/75/50. 20 days of tbol will yield nothing, you are better off using dbol for a longer duration.

You need 4 weeks, 2 weeks is not long enough for clomid/PCT. Start AI day one...even better to start it a week before your first shot up to the end of PCT. Personally, I would stretch the duration of both the dbol up front and the winny at the end. 20 days is on the shy side for both compounds.

As for HCG, it's important to discontinue the hcg before you start post-cycle-Therapy so your leydig cells are given a chance to re-sensitize to your body's own lh - leutenizing hormone - production. (To help further enhance testicular sensitivity, the dietary supplement Toco-8 may be used).

For preservation of testicular sensitivity, at the end of the cycle, drop the hcg two weeks before the anabolic steroids clear the system. For example, you would drop hcg about the same time as your last testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hcg about 10 days before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even clearance in hormone levels. This will initiate a strong lh - leutenizing hormone - and FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - surge from the pituitary, to begin stimulating your testes to produce testosterone. Remember, recovery doesn't begin until you are off hcg since your body will not release its own lh - leutenizing hormone - until the hcg has cleared the system.


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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

Start clomid on WK 16-20....100/100/75/50. 20 days of tbol will yield nothing, you are better off using dbol for a longer duration.

You need 4 weeks, 2 weeks is not long enough for clomid/PCT. Start AI day one...even better to start it a week before your first shot up to the end of PCT. Personally, I would stretch the duration of both the dbol up front and the winny at the end. 20 days is on the shy side for both compounds.

As for HCG, it's important to discontinue the hcg before you start post-cycle-Therapy so your leydig cells are given a chance to re-sensitize to your body's own lh - leutenizing hormone - production. (To help further enhance testicular sensitivity, the dietary supplement Toco-8 may be used).

For preservation of testicular sensitivity, at the end of the cycle, drop the hcg two weeks before the anabolic steroids clear the system. For example, you would drop hcg about the same time as your last testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hcg about 10 days before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even clearance in hormone levels. This will initiate a strong lh - leutenizing hormone - and FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - surge from the pituitary, to begin stimulating your testes to produce testosterone. Remember, recovery doesn't begin until you are off hcg since your body will not release its own lh - leutenizing hormone - until the hcg has cleared the system.


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Thanks, would you use Tbol instead?

Originally Posted by all4show

Thanks, would you use Tbol instead?

I would use tbol at the tail end to harden up your gains. But not for 20 days.



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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

I would use tbol at the tail end to harden up your gains. But not for 20 days.



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So would you still start with a dbol kicker for 6 weeks
Then end with 6 weeks of Tbol and No Winstrol?

Originally Posted by all4show

So would you still start with a dbol kicker for 6 weeks
Then end with 6 weeks of Tbol and No Winstrol?

You could do that, I would probably like to finish off with winny instead of tbol, but that's just a matter of preference. I prefer dbol up front....75mg ED 1-6, but 50mg will work fine as you have outlined above.



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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

You could do that, I would probably like to finish off with winny instead of tbol, but that's just a matter of preference. I prefer dbol up front....75mg ED 1-6, but 50mg will work fine as you have outlined above.



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Victor, with proper diet of about 4500 callories, do you think this could lean me out?

Originally Posted by all4show

Victor, with proper diet of about 4500 callories, do you think this could lean me out?

Sure it would help....but you are 260lbs., as am I, and 4500 cals is not enough IMHO for guys our size. I understand you are trying to lean out, but your body will probably react better to 6000 CLEAN calories.

Also, your protein intake should be about 2gr. per body pound. So if you are 260lbs, you want to aim for around 500-520gr a day. A lot of this is debatable and others follow different protocols. 6000 cals is my maintenance intake, 7500-8000 when I'm on. I swim every morning and burn cals real fast as my metabolism rate is sky high.


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Originally Posted by VictorZ06

6000 cals is my maintenance intake, 7500-8000 when I'm on. /V

Oh my jesus fuck....

Originally Posted by VictorZ06

Sure it would help....but you are 260lbs., as am I, and 4500 cals is not enough IMHO for guys our size. I understand you are trying to lean out, but your body will probably react better to 6000 CLEAN calories.

Also, your protein intake should be about 2gr. per body pound. So if you are 260lbs, you want to aim for around 500-520gr a day. A lot of this is debatable and others follow different protocols. 6000 cals is my maintenance intake, 7500-8000 when I'm on. I swim every morning and burn cals real fast as my metabolism rate is sky high.


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Wow, That seems like a lot. I will get my protien up with good food and spupliments, but my metabolism has slowed down. I think 6000 sounds reasonable

How big are you? HT WT age?