Final Plan for Primo and Test Cycle

**DaBeast25** · 02-10-2011, 10:20 AM

weeks 1-12---> Primo @ 500mg/week
weeks 1-12---> Test E @ 250-500/week
weeks 1-3---> Test P @ 50-100mg eod(Not 100% on this yet)

weeks 1-14----> Liquid Aromasin @ 12.5mg e3d(adjusting up if needed)
weeks 15-20----> Liquid Nolva @ 40/40/20/20/10

Primo Dose will stay consistent throughout...
Test E will start at 250/week for the first 2-3 weeks... If I have no obvious sides then I'll up it to 375/week for a few weeks, then possibly up to 500/week for the remainder of the cycle.

Really looking to minimize sides like oily skin, red face, acne, as well as the internal "stuff." If I do front load with Prop and things are fine, then the obvious choice would be to up the Enth when I drop the Prop.

I plan on pinning Primo and Enth MWF to cut down on the volume/inject. This will equate to just over .8cc of Enth while at 250/week and a little over 1.6cc of Primo in each.

Ancillaries are CEM
Most of the Primo is GP, one is Sciroxx
Test is GP and Sciroxx

Let me know if there's anything you would change if you were in my shoes. Goal is to aquire as much lean mass as possible and Retain as much of it as possible as well since previous cycles have eventually left me high and dry, lol.

**XYZ** · 02-10-2011, 10:26 AM

For your goals all you need to do is keep the diet clean and do a little cardio. The gear doesn't matter all that much. I could get better results with test and NPP.

I would save the primo for a cutter and just run a high dose test.

**DaBeast25** · 02-10-2011, 10:35 AM

I beg to differ..the gear will actually make a huge difference but I know where you're coming from. Diet is very clean...started 5 weeks ago with it...been below maintenance for the last few weeks and will gradually increase calories once I start.

I did have great success with a test/deca cycle before but I wanted to stay away from 19-nors to make recovery easier.

I also tried a high dose test only cycle last year at this time which was NOT a good idea...ended up with a shit load of sides including some gyno flare-up.

**XYZ** · 02-10-2011, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by DaBeast25

I beg to differ..the gear will actually make a huge difference but I know where you're coming from. Diet is very clean...started 5 weeks ago with it...been below maintenance for the last few weeks and will gradually increase calories once I start.

I did have great success with a test/deca cycle before but I wanted to stay away from 19-nors to make recovery easier.

I also tried a high dose test only cycle last year at this time which was NOT a good idea...ended up with a shit load of sides including some gyno flare-up.

Ok, if you say so, but I'm telling you you're not going to get the results you want with primo and test. Why would you bulk with a DHT based compound anyhow? That's not what they are designed for.

Primo is a European drug that is supposed to help burn victims and AIDS patients from wasting away, and you're going to bulk with it? OK.

You're right about making the recovery easier, I forget a lot of you guys run PCT.

**DaBeast25** · 02-10-2011, 10:59 AM

When I said I'm looking to put on lean mass, I'm not talking about putting on 20lbs of Muslce, Fat, and Water....

If I put on 10-12 lbs of actual muscle tissue WITHOUT the fat, water, glycogen weight, etc... that many people attribute to actual gains I'll be happy.

This is my first run with Primo, so maybe your right, but I hope not ;-)

Anyway, one of my 1st priorities here is to minimize the negative sides both during and after the cycle.

**XYZ** · 02-10-2011, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by DaBeast25

When I said I'm looking to put on lean mass, I'm not talking about putting on 20lbs of Muslce, Fat, and Water....

If I put on 10-12 lbs of actual muscle tissue WITHOUT the fat, water, glycogen weight, etc... that many people attribute to actual gains I'll be happy.

This is my first run with Primo, so maybe your right, but I hope not ;-)

Anyway, one of my 1st priorities here is to minimize the negative sides both during and after the cycle.

Why would I bother to tell you all of this if I was full of sh$t? I'm trying to help you.

Just run your plan the way you have it laid out and take before and after pictures and post them up. Then we'll see how you did.

**DaBeast25** · 02-10-2011, 11:14 AM

1. I never said you're full of shit...I don't know you well enough to make that statement and I'm sure you do know a lot about gear. The fact is that I've planned this over the last couple months and have specific reson for what I am and am not using.

2. Eating Clean and doing Cardio WILL NOT create the same degree of lean mass gains with and without gear. Therefore, stating that all I need to do cardio and eat clean to achieve my goals is not accurate.

3. I won't post pictures b/c my profession is closely related to diet, training, and body comp changes and I'm not taking a risk of having any part of me on the internet, nor am I trying to prove anyone wrong.

I appreciate your advice

**XYZ** · 02-10-2011, 01:29 PM

I said you can get better results with ANY type of gear than with what you're using. Using vs. non-using is night and day.

Through experience, trial and error, endless training, cycling and years of study I'm just telling you what you have set up is going to fail, don't believe me do it and see what happens. I'm just trying to help. You're the one who is asking for help here and I'm giving it to you but you seem too stubborn to take the advice or you think you're going to be able to accomplish these goals despite what I say.

It's your call in the end, I'm just letting you know what's going to happen at the end.

You need to go back and carefully read my posts. You need to do the cardio and eat clean in order to keep the BF% in order, nothing more. This was one of your goals correct? Dry lean gains?

A question for you might be why did you buy the gear and THEN post up what you're going to do and THEN ask for advice about it? Isn't that kinda backwards?

Go back and read how many times you tell me that you hope I'm wrong or imply that I have no idea what I'm talking about. In the three posts besides your original post it happens three times. Why am I trying to help you again?

**SUPERFLY1234** · 02-10-2011, 01:42 PM

lol, both of you guys are correct. to me it depends on your body type. what works for ct might not work for me. what works for me might not work for dabeast25.

**DaBeast25** · 02-10-2011, 02:21 PM

LMAO, Supefly hit it on the head.

I said that I hope your wrong, because I'm obviously wanting a successful cycle here. It was a joke, but obviously over you head...

anyway, this was not the first time I commented on my cycle plans, nor do I buy gear before researching and getting others feedback.
Safest cycle options?

I'm done bickering about this, because you're either too ignorant to realize that my goals, ideas of a successful cycle, and reasons for using might be a lot different than yours OR you just can accept that this isn't CTForums.com

Again, thanks for the initial advice, but I have no desire to do a high dose test cycle again nor add NPP in this cycle.

Peace Out Homie

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