Thread: Hello all, I have a quick question...or two

i think ur original plan sounds fine. 600mg of the cyp wouldnt hurt either though. keep in mind i wouldnt run the eq for less than 14 weeks though. if u dont want to cycle for that long then go with the deca. run it for two weeks less than however long you plan on running the test. if ur bloating up that bad makes me wonder if ur running an AI (adex or aromasin) esp since u didnt mention it. u should be running one or the other regardless. whats ur plan for pct? plan on using hcg?

In order to give you any advice that would be specific to you and your situation we would need to hear quite a bit more about you and your past and future goals but...

My very generic advice would be to:
1. EAT MORE! I know you think you are eating more than enough, but if your not gaining weight then your not eating enough. It's a fact.
2. Heavy compound movements in the gym. Don't waste time on standing cable curls if you want to get bigger when you are just starting out. Heavy deads, squats, and bench with some barbell overhead press and some rows thrown in.
3. Test and Dbol. Thats it! Other fancy compounds are not what a beginner should be waisting their time with (unless they have some specialized goal).


In other words, Keep It Simple!

Sorry but you have no business using steroids. Then again you already knew that.

My first time using gear I went from 145lbs to 167lbs. It was straight out of highschool. I didn't do enough homework, I just went with word of mouth. I regret that because I didn't pct so I lost a significant amount. When I was on it and till this day I do Heavy compound movements. I have been set back the past year becaues I tore my labrum and had surgery. Anything overhead is a killer however I have been gradually going up in weight. I don't think I eat terrible,I have my gainers 2-3 times a day and sometimes with meals. This time around I plan on doing arimidex .5mg qod and clomid 50-100mg x4-6 weeks post-c.... I.E.300mg on day 1; then use 100mg for the next 10 days; followed by 50mg for 10 days. Im not a rookie at the gym. I'm on here to learn more and for advice, not to get shot down.

Doesn't sound too bad. You have to eat more though. Especially if you are using AAS. AAS increase your protein turnover so you will be making the most of what you eat. I would concentrate on how much protein carbs and fat you take in everyday. Make sure you are taking in enough food for growth. I wouldn't expect to be 230 lb guy anytime soon because it sounds like you don't have the genetics to be the massive type but you sound like one of those guys that could be ripped and solid at whatever weight you achieve. IF you are 167 now I think 180 should be an achievable goal with the cycle you have chosen as long as you give your body the building blocks. Enjoy and good luck. P.S find the PCT you like and stick with it.

I would focus on working on your diet and training. AAS should be used only after you have learned how to eat and train and reached your natural potential physically. I'm with Foreman, you have no reason to be messing around with anabolics You are nowhere near ready.

TGB you nailed it on the money when it comes to my physique. I don't know how both MDR and Foreman came to that conclusion. Who knows my body better than myself, right? Breakfast 6am: Gainer, oatmeal w/ bananas and pop tarts...yes i love pop tarts. 10AMish, I have nutella on 2 slices of honey wheat with some sort of protein bar. 12-1PM TWO chicken breasts, brown rice and black beans. 3-4pm: Gainer again and a fruit. 5:30-7ish 1MR prework out and Gym time. 7:15- Gainer again..an hour after than I'll eat Pasta, maybe a serving size for 2 to 2 1/2. I cant pass my weight mark because I AM at my natural potential. Im not going to go the anabolic route if i keep gaining naturally. My body is at a plateau.

Should I run 600mgs in one day or 300mg bi weekly of cyp? I know that it can last a week if i did it once a week but maybe someone has had better results bi weekly? Same goes for the EQ. Once weekly or bi-weekly?

Originally Posted by Gfy55

TGB you nailed it on the money when it comes to my physique. I don't know how both MDR and Foreman came to that conclusion. Who knows my body better than myself, right? Breakfast 6am: Gainer, oatmeal w/ bananas and pop tarts...yes i love pop tarts. 10AMish, I have nutella on 2 slices of honey wheat with some sort of protein bar. 12-1PM TWO chicken breasts, brown rice and black beans. 3-4pm: Gainer again and a fruit. 5:30-7ish 1MR prework out and Gym time. 7:15- Gainer again..an hour after than I'll eat Pasta, maybe a serving size for 2 to 2 1/2. I cant pass my weight mark because I AM at my natural potential. Im not going to go the anabolic route if i keep gaining naturally. My body is at a plateau.

Gfy55, kindly go to www.fitday.com and enter the food you eat. Report back with your total calories, and grams protein, carb and fat. From what I see, you don't look like you're eating all that much food.

Thank you for what could be a very helpful site however the link is not working.

Originally Posted by Built

Gfy55, kindly go to www.fitday.com and enter the food you eat. Report back with your total calories, and grams protein, carb and fat. From what I see, you don't look like you're eating all that much food.

That fit day site is awesome thanks for posting that!!

Try it now.

Originally Posted by Gfy55

Should I run 600mgs in one day or 300mg bi weekly of cyp? I know that it can last a week if i did it once a week but maybe someone has had better results bi weekly? Same goes for the EQ. Once weekly or bi-weekly?

You can get away with running cyp once a week, BUT at 600mgs I would advise shooting 300mg on Monday and the other 300mg on Thursday.

I would split the cyp and EQ up twice a week. I would load both into same syringe 300mg of each. This would probably be around 3cc's. Inject into bigger muscles like legs or glutes or split it half into each delt. I like to use the sunday thursday inject schedule. Spliting the dose into 2 injections a week will keep your levels much more stable than just once a week especially with the cyp.

Originally Posted by Gfy55

TGB you nailed it on the money when it comes to my physique. I don't know how both MDR and Foreman came to that conclusion. Who knows my body better than myself, right? Breakfast 6am: Gainer, oatmeal w/ bananas and pop tarts...yes i love pop tarts. 10AMish, I have nutella on 2 slices of honey wheat with some sort of protein bar. 12-1PM TWO chicken breasts, brown rice and black beans. 3-4pm: Gainer again and a fruit. 5:30-7ish 1MR prework out and Gym time. 7:15- Gainer again..an hour after than I'll eat Pasta, maybe a serving size for 2 to 2 1/2. I cant pass my weight mark because I AM at my natural potential. Im not going to go the anabolic route if i keep gaining naturally. My body is at a plateau.

Foreman and MDR probably came to that conclusion b/c your only real food protein source is two measly chicken breasts. The rest of your protein is coming from supps, either your "Gainer" or "some sort of protein bar". Your diet is certainly NOT in check. Just stick with Built on this one and get your diet right, and THEN you will be able to get the most out of a cycle of AAS.