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    Hey guys. Im 6ft 104kgs 34 years old, been training for 10 years. Ive just started a cycle of sust and deca, started it 3 days ago, first time injecting. I inject in my tricep, because i like to be able to see what im doing, is this good or bad idea? I have taken 250 deca and sust on friday, and 250 sust on sunday. I am going to do 750 sust and 400 deca a week. The question i have is how long before i notice the feeling of well being, and strength and size. I have read alot of forums, and on average they say 3 to 4 weeks. Seems weird to me because 4 years ago i tried dbol and noticed the good feelings and strength immediatley. Diddint do any pct then because i was new to steroids, want to do it right this time.
    And another thing, my kidneys are not in such good shape. But i read that sust and deca are not to hard on them.
    Also just before i started this i had been dieting got my weight down to 100kg, fat level, no idea, but i can sort of see my abs now. Dont really want to start putting on fat after all that hard work, but realise i have to eat more now im on this cycle.
    Any thoughts much appreciated.

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    If this is your first injectable cycle 750mg test and 400deca is gonna be pretty burly.
    4-5 weeks for the "magic" to start happening.
    With dbol it was faster because its a fast acting oral.

    You know for a fact your kidneys are poorly functioning?
    You also know that high protein diet is extremely important for cycle success?

    Keep water intake high but be careful with protein intake.
    Every couple hours intake 5 -10 grams of BCAA's
    this will help you get the protein you need without needing 60+g per meal
    Your overall protein intake will not need to be as high.

    Dont inject in your tris.
    If this is your first injection cycle your tris are gonna look like a joke after a few injections and they are a smaller muscle group

    Shoot quads...big muscle group, easy to see and to shoot.

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    My doctor took a blood test about 6 months ago and said my kidney and liver values were very low. I figure 6 months later they should be ok now. I hope!

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    Thanks for thadvice Brundle. Do you mean that where ever you inject that muscle gets bigger? If thats so awesome, because i want to build my legs up

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    Dude, go and get another blood test done before you start anything.

    Where the values low or high ? Do you have the test results ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ROID View Post
    Dude, go and get another blood test done before you start anything.

    Where the values low or high ? Do you have the test results ?
    I agree get blood work first and make sure you are healthy enough first!

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    Quote Originally Posted by clinton252 View Post
    Thanks for thadvice Brundle. Do you mean that where ever you inject that muscle gets bigger? If thats so awesome, because i want to build my legs up
    Shoot me in the head!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANIMALHOUSE View Post
    Shoot me in the head!

    LOL, shoot me in the DICK!

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    Quote Originally Posted by clinton252 View Post
    My doctor took a blood test about 6 months ago and said my kidney and liver values were very low.

    Low? Or elevated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Fantastico View Post
    Low? Or elevated?
    he said they were elevated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clinton252 View Post
    I am going to do 750 sust and 400 deca a week.
    I personally think you are going to feel the Sustanon well before the 3-4 week point. More like 2 weeks. It has test prop in it and it's a fast acting steroid. Test E will take 3-4 weeks for the "magic".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ANIMALHOUSE View Post
    Shoot me in the head!
    You want your head bigger?

    No but seriously.....
    While the muscle my appear a bit larger after injection this is due to localized inflammation and the fact that there is something in deposit in the muscle tissue.
    I am not by any means recommending you site inject to increase muscle size.
    I am stating that larger muscles take injections better.

    Best thing for making your legs bigger?
    train em.

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    I have a buddy who shoots in his tris...his arms are 16 inches.
    After injections he looks like a retard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brundel View Post
    I have a buddy who shoots in his tris...his arms are 16 inches.
    After injections he looks like a retard.
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    When on gear, protein intake has to be higher than normal. Up to 2grams per lb of bodyweight. And excessively high protein can strain the kidneys. Since you stated you had (have?) kidney issues, it makes sense to get an updated check on your levels to determine if you run an extraordinarily high risk of kidney failure or some catastrophic effect of using aas. I would exercise caution before moving forward with gear but since you already started I recommend getting lab work done tomorrow. It's your call. And you will retain water on Sust and Deca so whatever abs you can almost see currently are most likely going to be even harder to see in the near future as your caloric intake increases.

    But back to my first point, confirm your internal organs are in good working condition prior to using gear. Good luck.

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    Thanks for the advice guys. Ive got some liver detox stuff of the net and im drinking loads of water, so ill just take a chance. Dont want my doc knowing about this, i know what hell say, dont need to hear that now. Plus i feel fine and those results were 6 months ago, so im pretty sure im fine.
    Ill write back and let you know if i die. From the grave! Muahahahahaha
    Whats good for stopping bloat while on my cycle? I have clomid and htc for after

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    Quote Originally Posted by clinton252 View Post
    Thanks for the advice guys. Ive got some liver detox stuff of the net and im drinking loads of water, so ill just take a chance. Dont want my doc knowing about this, i know what hell say, dont need to hear that now. Plus i feel fine and those results were 6 months ago, so im pretty sure im fine.
    Ill write back and let you know if i die. From the grave! Muahahahahaha
    Whats good for stopping bloat while on my cycle? I have clomid and htc for after

    throw in A-Dex at .5 mg eod and adjust if neccessary , should keep bloat down but remember you need some estro to grow so too much AI mite hinder your gains somewhat

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    Thanks. I'll do that. How much to take do you think?

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    Ah. I see. 5mg every other day. So that's what eod is. Dohhh

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    .5mg eod or .25 mg its up to yourself , id prob start on the lower dose first then up the dose if your cant handle the bloat

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    Thx

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