Thread: So just to get this straight: you can "cut" on any aas right?

Simply... Yes. Kinda. Your diet controls BF. But I wouldn't recommend cutting with deca. That compound is a bulker... My concern is you wanting to bulk & cut at the same time. You need to pick one and go with it. You can do a recomp, but again, the diet is the biggest factor.

My advice... You started a bulk, so stick with it. If you are getting fat, back the calories down a little. You have to optimize... If a lean bulk is what you are after, your diet WILL control that. But trying to bulk for 6 weeks then 6 for 6 is just kinda dumb... IMO

Originally Posted by maxbrokeneck

4 weeks into 12 week test/deca cycle and currently bulking. Feeling like a fat fcku at the moment and I was thinking about starting my cut early, at the 6 week mark into my cycle. Besides water retention, any reason why I shouldn't do this?

No you should finish what you started. Here's why:

First, you were probably too fat to start off and now you're getting scared because you're getting fatter and it's uncomfortable, been there done that.

You're body isn't going to know what the hell is going on when one minute you're eating 4,000 calories and then you drop down to 2,000. It's not going to be happy.

How are you going to make long term progress when you quit this and then start that? You keep going back and forth and guess where you end up? Square one.

Here's what you're going to do. Drop your calories to maintenance and finish this off, you're going to do 30mins of cardio 3 times a week at a moderate pace. Once they cycle is done we'll see where you're at and then make a new plan.

Originally Posted by CT

No you should finish what you started. Here's why:

First, you were probably too fat to start off and now you're getting scared because you're getting fatter and it's uncomfortable, been there done that.

You're body isn't going to know what the hell is going on when one minute you're eating 4,000 calories and then you drop down to 2,000. It's not going to be happy.

How are you going to make long term progress when you quit this and then start that? You keep going back and forth and guess where you end up? Square one.

Here's what you're going to do. Drop your calories to maintenance and finish this off, you're going to do 30mins of cardio 3 times a week at a moderate pace. Once they cycle is done we'll see where you're at and then make a new plan.

^ This...

That's why you are THE Chocolate Thunder...

Originally Posted by Buzzard

Simply... Yes. Kinda. Your diet controls BF. But I wouldn't recommend cutting with deca. That compound is a bulker... My concern is you wanting to bulk & cut at the same time. You need to pick one and go with it. You can do a recomp, but again, the diet is the biggest factor.

My advice... You started a bulk, so stick with it. If you are getting fat, back the calories down a little. You have to optimize... If a lean bulk is what you are after, your diet WILL control that. But trying to bulk for 6 weeks then 6 for 6 is just kinda dumb... IMO

The gear doesn't matter that much for cutting, he can cut with deca. A lot of guys do. They have to drop it out 3 weeks before a shoot or show to drop the water.

Bulking, in my opinion is another story.

Originally Posted by CT

The gear doesn't matter that much for cutting, he can cut with deca. A lot of guys do. They have to drop it out 3 weeks before a shoot or show to drop the water.

Bulking, in my opinion is another story.

I suppose so. The thing that gets me, is people equating holding water & getting fat. Big difference. I don't mind retaining water while on. It's the gaining BF I have a problem with.

Cutting on Anadrol and Cyp right now. Down 12 lbs in 30 days. All diet.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Cutting on Anadrol and Cyp right now. Down 12 lbs in 30 days. All diet.

^^^Agree all diet, just back down the calories

Cutting and/or bulking has more to do with your diet than anything else...

If you're putting on too much fat, then clean up your diet. Adjust carb-timing, macro-breakdown, and your workouts according. If you feel like you're retaining water then adjust your AI, cut sodium big time and increase fluid intake.

You don't necessarily have to "cut" just clean-bulk...you have to find the sweet spot to do this but I managed to do it nicely with a test/deca cycle. I didn't take measurements, but I managed to put on about 10lbs on the scales while reducing my bodyfat significantly.

If you're gaining fat then that just means you can work out more often and/or with higher intensity without overtraining. I like to take advantage of every calorie I put in my body. that's just my oppinion. I always adjust my workload before I back off calories.

Originally Posted by Diesel618

If you're gaining fat then that just means you can work out more often and/or with higher intensity without overtraining. I like to take advantage of every calorie I put in my body. that's just my oppinion. I always adjust my workload before I back off calories.

Not taking a shot at you, but that's not at all what that means. An overtrained person will actually have trouble with fat gain due to increases in cortisol. I do agree with adjusting your overall workload while making modifications to your diet (NOT necessarily cutting cals)

Originally Posted by CT

No you should finish what you started. Here's why:

First, you were probably too fat to start off and now you're getting scared because you're getting fatter and it's uncomfortable, been there done that.

You're body isn't going to know what the hell is going on when one minute you're eating 4,000 calories and then you drop down to 2,000. It's not going to be happy.

How are you going to make long term progress when you quit this and then start that? You keep going back and forth and guess where you end up? Square one.

Here's what you're going to do. Drop your calories to maintenance and finish this off, you're going to do 30mins of cardio 3 times a week at a moderate pace. Once they cycle is done we'll see where you're at and then make a new plan.

Words to live by.

Originally Posted by DaBeast25

Not taking a shot at you, but that's not at all what that means. An overtrained person will actually have trouble with fat gain due to increases in cortisol. I do agree with adjusting your overall workload while making modifications to your diet (NOT necessarily cutting cals)

Point taken. I guess I've just never reached this 'overtraining' zone. In my experience overtraining is difficult to reach on AAS. I hit it 6 days a week very intensely and have yet to wake up dragging my feet after a solid night's sleep.

Originally Posted by Diesel618

Point taken. I guess I've just never reached this 'overtraining' zone. In my experience overtraining is difficult to reach on AAS. I hit it 6 days a week very intensely and have yet to wake up dragging my feet after a solid night's sleep.

It's a beautiful thing ain't it... AAS

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Cutting on Anadrol and Cyp right now. Down 12 lbs in 30 days. All diet.

would you mind sharing your diet plan? sounds like you're having great results.

trenbolone.

gain mass and lose bf @ the same time

Fat cells have androgen receptors, IMO, you're going to want a more androgenic substance to help with the cut. Androhard, masteron, straight DHT... Of course you can cut on any steroid and still succeed. Diet is key... but androgens help

Originally Posted by klc9100

would you mind sharing your diet plan? sounds like you're having great results.

Sorry, I paid a lot for the plan. I am working with an expert but if you are serious I can get you his contact info.

Only serious inquries please!

Originally Posted by heavyiron

Sorry, I paid a lot for the plan. I am working with an expert but if you are serious I can get you his contact info.

Only serious inquiries please!

We lay out the plan and you follow it

Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy

Fat cells have androgen receptors, IMO, you're going to want a more androgenic substance to help with the cut. Androhard, masteron, straight DHT... Of course you can cut on any steroid and still succeed. Diet is key... but androgens help

Agrred I would add tren to that list as stated above...

you may be able to cut on any aas but some may be preferred.
I was wondering if test is test then why do most ppl (everywhere i have read, including Anabolics 9th ed) say that you should cut with test prop?
but test is test right? sounds kinda contradicting.