1st cycle best length to run it

**faon** · 03-02-2011, 09:33 PM

Ok guys I'm planning my first cycle and have read alot of info one last lose end is how long to run it, I ask because I dont plan on doing another cycle if I do it will be many years away I just want a nice boost now my cycle plan is
dbol 20 to 30mg 1-4 week
test e 600mg 1-12 weeks, thinking of 1000mg first 2weeks injections will be twice weekly
Hcg 350iu inject same day as test thought cycle
25mg aromasin ed
pct week 12 to 16 clomid 100/75/50/50
My concern is in dont want my body dependent on cycle I want to be able to chose if I do this again I dont want it to be forced to run another

**prop01** · 03-02-2011, 10:35 PM

I think that is a little much for your first cycle . If your next cycle will be many years away , I would not bother to do a cycle now . Unless you are doing some sort of an experiment on yourself .

**faon** · 03-02-2011, 10:44 PM

I'm just stuck where I'm at but I've read some stuff and done say if your on it over 8 weeks your on it forever thats my chief concern

**persianprince23** · 03-02-2011, 10:45 PM

test should be 500 a week dbol 30 mg would be sufficient

**faon** · 03-02-2011, 10:46 PM

And I'm not sure if I'll want another you'll never know tell you do it I just want to make sure my body doesn't become dependent

**prop01** · 03-02-2011, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by faon

I'm just stuck where I'm at but I've read some stuff and done say if your on it over 8 weeks your on it forever thats my chief concern

I do not believe that to be true Faon ... but stayed tuned and maybe someone with more experience than myself will chime in .

**persianprince23** · 03-02-2011, 10:49 PM

usually 8 to 12 weeks is "normal" i guess u could say but as long as u follow time on= time off protocol u will be ok

**faon** · 03-02-2011, 10:55 PM

And after my 12 week cycle and my pct my normal test levels will return to normal, they will not be lower correct?

**Work IN Progress** · 03-02-2011, 11:00 PM

As long as your Pct is good which it looks like it's fine then you should have no problem getting back to natural test production when pct is finished. Plus you said you are taking hcg. Aromasin dose looks a little high. Maybe break it in half and go 12.5 a day and add as needed. I don't know what that 1000mg idea you had was about but you should just totally drop that idea. 500-750mg a week is more than sufficient for your first run. Be smart about it and enjoy gaining muscles.

**persianprince23** · 03-02-2011, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Work IN Progress

As long as your Pct is good which it looks like it's fine then you should have no problem getting back to natural test production when pct is finished. Plus you said you are taking hcg. Aromasin dose looks a little high. Maybe break it in half and go 12.5 a day and add as needed. I don't know what that 1000mg idea you had was about but you should just totally drop that idea. 500-750mg a week is more than sufficient for your first run. Be smart about it and enjoy gaining muscles.

^^^ what this guy said

**faon** · 03-02-2011, 11:12 PM

The 1000mg test was a idea from a good source some like the front load some dont and yes the ai is something I'm going to have to see how my body reacts and adjust as I go, what are you guys thoughts of dropping the hcg?

**colorado** · 03-03-2011, 02:30 AM

Keep the HCG. You'll need it on this cycle.

Seeing as how this is your first, I'd drop the d-dol and stick with the test. Also, I wouldn't pump a gram into myself unless I knew how I was going to react first. You may be prone to gyno. If you are, watch out! You are going to have a hell of a time getting it under control. If you want to go big, I'd go with 750/wk. That's a large amount for a first cycle.

**Mikebeasley69** · 03-03-2011, 03:39 AM

Alot of good advice already giving, nothing more to add to this from me

**GMO** · 03-03-2011, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by Work IN Progress

As long as your Pct is good which it looks like it's fine then you should have no problem getting back to natural test production when pct is finished. Plus you said you are taking hcg. Aromasin dose looks a little high. Maybe break it in half and go 12.5 a day and add as needed. I don't know what that 1000mg idea you had was about but you should just totally drop that idea. 500-750mg a week is more than sufficient for your first run. Be smart about it and enjoy gaining muscles.

^^^This was the best advice given OP. Although I would cap your Test at 500mg/wk for your first run. Trust me, that will be plenty. There is also no reason for you to front load.

Without your stats (age/height/weight/training history), that's the best advice I can give.

Originally Posted by faon

I'm just stuck where I'm at but I've read some stuff and done say if your on it over 8 weeks your on it forever thats my chief concern

^^^This is ignorance...stop reading the writing of fools.

**faon** · 03-03-2011, 12:32 PM

even if i thought it was fool information GMO better safe then sorry GMO

correct? i would reither ask questions now reither then after i start, and in regards to training history and my first cycle this isnt acually my first cycle but it is.....and by that i mean ive took 500mg test e twice a week for 2 weeks and due to a situation all the shit had to get trashed....... but that was over 2 years ago as for my stats, been training hard since 2006 before that it was more cardio then weights, 185lb 5'10 i would guess 14% bf

**faon** · 03-03-2011, 12:49 PM

so the 4 shots of 500mg test e dident even effect me at all so im really not to worried about effects that will cause on me, that was why i proposed the dbol 30 mg ed because if i had bad reactions to the test e i think i would have known from them 2 weeks

**Dolfan84** · 03-03-2011, 01:12 PM

Nah man 2 weeks isn't enough time to notice the estro sides. Remember test e is a long acting steriod. Chances are sides or bad reactions won't be a problem with test. Def not if you use the ai.

**SloppyJ** · 03-03-2011, 02:57 PM

Over 8 weeks and you're on for good? Whoever said that is a retard.

TBH I don't think his dosages were that high. But the aromasin did seem high.

**GMO** · 03-03-2011, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by faon

even if i thought it was fool information GMO better safe then sorry GMO

correct? i would reither ask questions now reither then after i start, and in regards to training history and my first cycle this isnt acually my first cycle but it is.....and by that i mean ive took 500mg test e twice a week for 2 weeks and due to a situation all the shit had to get trashed....... but that was over 2 years ago as for my stats, been training hard since 2006 before that it was more cardio then weights, 185lb 5'10 i would guess 14% bf

It is good that you asked. In fact, I wish more people would ask questions before they start their cycles. It would limit the damage control I see pop up on here time after time.

Honestly, I would say that you are no where near your natty potential at 185lbs. I weighed that much when I was 19, and I am the same height as you. You could most definitely see gains without using AAS by tweaking your diet and training. As for the most important stat, I see you left that out. Age?

Hopefully you are at least 23 years old. Even so, I would still recommend natty training for a few more years. You haven't been lifting that long, so you could definitely build a better foundation before you jump into the world of gear. Trust me...you'll thank me later.

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