Thread: 5 month cycle ????

Depends on what you mean by "Okay".

Are you on TRT? Cause you might be after that if you have to ask if it's "Okay".

AI and pct ? And why the hell a 20 week cycle? Based on what ive read typically over 12 and your going to be doing you body more harm then good, I think 16 is the longest I've seen

That's actually a bridge for a lot of guys . I'm over 45 and would not do that , but others claim they will be on for life .
Sorry I can't explain my answer , just from what I have read on other boards through out the years .

what are your goals?

No this is not ok. IF you are going to be on TRT then why use sust. ? This will cause fluctuating levels. That is bad if you are on TRT. You need to use a basic simple long estered test to keep more stable levels. Also taking anavar for 20 weeks is terrible for the liver. Some say that it is less harsh than other 17 Alpha alkylated steroids but it is still going to raise your liver enzymes if you take it for that amount of time. Anavar should be used for no longer than 8 weeks at a time to be safe. Anavar is also horrible on the your HDL and LDL. Which can be very bad in the long run for your heart. You really need to do more research. Anytime you plan on a cycle it is important that you understand how the drugs you are going to take work on the body. What is your age and cycle history? if you are bridging (aka blasting and cruising) taking a long estered test would be ok. If you are just running a cycle this is not a good idea because 20 weeks is going to mean serious shutdown. With the doses you are planning to take you will probably lose everything you gain possibly more if you can not get your HPTA up and running in reasonable time.

Originally Posted by TGB1987

No this is not ok. IF you are going to be on TRT then why use sust. ? This will cause fluctuating levels. That is bad if you are on TRT. You need to use a basic simple long estered test to keep more stable levels. Also taking anavar for 20 weeks is terrible for the liver. Some say that it is less harsh than other 17 Alpha alkylated steroids but it is still going to raise your liver enzymes if you take it for that amount of time. Anavar should be used for no longer than 8 weeks at a time to be safe. Anavar is also horrible on the your HDL and LDL. Which can be very bad in the long run for your heart. You really need to do more research. Anytime you plan on a cycle it is important that you understand how the drugs you are going to take work on the body. What is your age and cycle history? if you are bridging (aka blasting and cruising) taking a long estered test would be ok. If you are just running a cycle this is not a good idea because 20 weeks is going to mean serious shutdown. With the doses you are planning to take you will probably lose everything you gain possibly more if you can not get your HPTA up and running in reasonable time.

-am 38 YO
-working out for 12 years the
-last three-four more off then on
-i want to gain a good 15-20 lbs
-drop my BF from 18% to 7-10%
then maintain it

this is my first cycle:
Sustanon 250 every four days for the first 6 weeks
then 250 once a week for another six weeks...

the last 6 weeks of the Sus i am introducing Var 50mg/day and will continue for 6 weeks after

three weeks after i stop the sus ill be starting PCT clomid 50mg/day for 3 weeks...while still finishing the Var...!

i am on a four day split...and days in-between i do cardio

any pointers...i am on week 5 now...

i am open to suggestions and pointers...

ur body fat is to high to use aas

Steroids WILL NOT drop your body fat. Let me repeat that... Steroids WILL NOT drop your body fat. Your diet will and the AAS will just be a nice addition to it. If your at 18%, your not eating correctly and are NOT ready for AAS.

Originally Posted by tander

-last three-four more off then on
-i want to gain a good 15-20 lbs
-drop my BF from 18% to 7-10%
then maintain it

Lets' start here. Firstly, your training is not consistent, as you have stated. Also, your diet is in shambles as evidenced by your BF%. This combo is not a good recipe for AAS use. I would post your diet and training routine in the appropriate forums and let us help you there first.

Now to answer your question:

Originally Posted by tander

Is it okay:
Sustanon 250 every four days
And
Var 50 ed

Please explain your answer

First, get your BF% down to AT LEAST 15%. Preferably 10-12%, but most people are just not disciplined enough to wait for that. Higher BF% means greater risk for gyno, chlorestrol issues and being even fatter after PCT.

Secondly, forget the Sus b/c as TGB said, it causes unstable blood levels. It is a s**ty blend IMO opion, and I would like to kick whoever came up with it in the nuts. Use Test E or C at 400-500mg/wk. If you must run the Var, do it for the last 6-8 weeks of your cycle, but with your bodyfat higher than 10%, it really isn't going to be ideal for you.

Thirdly, forget 20 weeks...sry to say, but that is just stupid. No need to make recovery difficult on you first cycle. Stick to 12 weeks max.

Finally, make sure you have a PCT plan in place and appropriate AI's.

Basically what GMO said. He's got it covered.

WHY does everyone try and use sustanon? That stuff is junk.

Originally Posted by GymRat707

Steroids WILL NOT drop your body fat. Let me repeat that... Steroids WILL NOT drop your body fat. Your diet will and the AAS will just be a nice addition to it. If your at 18%, your not eating correctly and are NOT ready for AAS.

I'm not saying this is not true I'm just basing this on personal experience.

I increased my cal's by 1.5k while I was on cycle and still lost 2% BF and gained a shit ton of strength and new muscle. Didn't even do that much dedicated cardio. Just normal everyday stuff that I always do.


And how did sust get so popular. I mean it seems like just a year or so ago it was all the rage. I remember my buddy telling me how sust is the only thing he will use.

Originally Posted by CT

WHY does everyone try and use sustanon? That stuff is junk.

It baffles me how many people come on this forum saying that they are going to run Sus at 500mg a week.

Never took Sust, nor have I ever had the urge to take a "fancy" designer cocktail of short and long estered testosterones. I have friends who have and always will have a soft spot in their hearts for Sust but not me. Maybe I'm just weird? (Don't answer that).
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Single long-estered test has always given me great results. I can understand short estered i.e. Prop or Suspension but why mix short and long together like a mad scientist just for the sake of creating something fancy that is supposedly "elite?"

I think the 21 ga. redi-ject preloads are responsible for the Sust phenomenon due to their appeal of being convenient and ready for business. JMHO.

Originally Posted by GMO

Lets' start here. Firstly, your training is not consistent, as you have stated. Also, your diet is in shambles as evidenced by your BF%. This combo is not a good recipe for AAS use. I would post your diet and training routine in the appropriate forums and let us help you there first.

Now to answer your question:




First, get your BF% down to AT LEAST 15%. Preferably 10-12%, but most people are just not disciplined enough to wait for that. Higher BF% means greater risk for gyno, chlorestrol issues and being even fatter after PCT.

Secondly, forget the Sus b/c as TGB said, it causes unstable blood levels. It is a s**ty blend IMO opion, and I would like to kick whoever came up with it in the nuts. Use Test E or C at 400-500mg/wk. If you must run the Var, do it for the last 6-8 weeks of your cycle, but with your bodyfat higher than 10%, it really isn't going to be ideal for you.

Thirdly, forget 20 weeks...sry to say, but that is just stupid. No need to make recovery difficult on you first cycle. Stick to 12 weeks max.

Finally, make sure you have a PCT plan in place and appropriate AI's.

I started my cycle (Sus 250 q 4 days) on 1st of Feb. at that time my stats were:
178 lbs
18% BF…
Workout – mixed not great but okay
Diet – better but room for improvement!

Since then (5 weeks later)
189 lbs
13.6% BF
Workout – 4 day split with, cardio in the am prior to eating on days in-between (with a professional trainer)
Diet – excellent 2600-3300 cal/day 20-40 fat/day 60-80 carbs/day 180-220 protein/day – and all my vitamins /aminos
Strength – well I am lifting a lot more then I was before and increasing daily/weekly

PCT – clomid 50/day for three weeks

I will only be doing a 12 week cycle…

I did not choose to add AAS as a “cheater”…I know that simply taking a pill or injecting is not magic! – it stills requires discipline and hard focused effort. Of which I am doing…and am getting good results, I would like to get better results though…that’s why I posted this thread.