Thread: The Dark Side (First Cycle Log)

This is what I would like to see from every new user to AAS do. This is setup very nice. To answer your the first question about taking letro and aromsin while on cycle. All you need to do is take the aromasin. If you run into issues with the gyno you can just up the dose to 25mg/day if needed. You should not need to do this since you are taking aromasin at 12.5mg eod. I even sometimes go every 3 days with the aromasin but eod is better. To answer your second question about taking a kickstart. I don't think you should do it. This way you know how the test is going to act in your body. It is better to stick to one compound for your first cycle. You have everything setup good your PCT is nice as well. One thing you could do is add hcg but I don't see it as being necessary for this cycle. It would be good if you can take pics of before , during, and after. If your diet and training is good you should make some great gains. Also you may want to add in some fish oil at 4 grams a day while on cycle with a good multi just to help keep a good supply of vitamins and keep your good cholesterol up. Good luck look forward to seeing results.

Thanks for the reply! The Aromasin schedule should look good, I stole it from one of your posts. haha

I have some fish oil in the fridge, and I'll be sure to start it when I'm on cycle.

Is 10 weeks on Test Cyp long enough? He won't feel it until week 4 at least.

Maybe order a 3rd vial?

10 weeks is good for a first cycle it will make PCT easier. He could do 12 but ten would be better for a first run IMO. He should make great gains as long as everything is good and diet, training is inline. The test cyp peaks in a less than a week but it will take a little while to build up and you really start to notice it. I guess that is really up to Hubauer to decide but I think he will be fine as is.

Originally Posted by TGB1987

This is what I would like to see from every new user to AAS do. This is setup very nice. To answer your the first question about taking letro and aromsin while on cycle. All you need to do is take the aromasin. If you run into issues with the gyno you can just up the dose to 25mg/day if needed. You should not need to do this since you are taking aromasin at 12.5mg eod. I even sometimes go every 3 days with the aromasin but eod is better. To answer your second question about taking a kickstart. I don't think you should do it. This way you know how the test is going to act in your body. It is better to stick to one compound for your first cycle. You have everything setup good your PCT is nice as well. One thing you could do is add hcg but I don't see it as being necessary for this cycle. It would be good if you can take pics of before , during, and after. If your diet and training is good you should make some great gains. Also you may want to add in some fish oil at 4 grams a day while on cycle with a good multi just to help keep a good supply of vitamins and keep your good cholesterol up. Good luck look forward to seeing results.

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Great Advice...

Looks good bro. On my first cycle I waited 2wks before starting pct. I've always read thats standard unless you're running something with a short half life like prop. I ran 3 wks pct, but since you got 4 weeks planned, shouldn't be a problem.

Originally Posted by Testoman98

Looks good bro. On my first cycle I waited 2wks before starting pct. I've always read thats standard unless you're running something with a short half life like prop. I ran 3 wks pct, but since you got 4 weeks planned, shouldn't be a problem.

Yes, you are correct. The first dose of Clomid should be taken approx 10-14 days after last Test inject.

I'd bump it out to 12 also. But that's just me. And I found the dbol at the front to be everything I ever thought it would be. But that's up to you.

Originally Posted by SloppyJ

I'd bump it out to 12 also. But that's just me. And I found the dbol at the front to be everything I ever thought it would be. But that's up to you.

These are options that I would definetly use to bump up your 2nd cycle. Some do use this for their first though. It is your choice.

You should grow real well that cycle. Give it hell!!

Originally Posted by TGB1987

10 weeks is good for a first cycle it will make PCT easier. He could do 12 but ten would be better for a first run IMO.

I was planning on running it just 10 weeks, just to see how I respond. I wanted to wait until my 2nd cycle to start adjusting factors such as cycle length, adding other compounds, etc.

Originally Posted by GMO

Yes, you are correct. The first dose of Clomid should be taken approx 10-14 days after last Test inject.

Sounds good... should I wait until then to up the Aromasin?

Originally Posted by Dark Saney

SET!!

Hmmm... I asked my liver, and he politely declined the methyltest. haha

This is going to be a good cycle bro.

You are the first person I have seen in a while that didn't go ahead and start a cycle and then 6 weeks in start asking questions.

You have your priorities straight my friend.

Originally Posted by Hubauer

Sounds good... should I wait until then to up the Aromasin?

It really wouldn't make much of a difference either way. Personally, I would contiune the eod dosing until I hit my PCT...

I was wondering about the aromasin at 25 mg/day for the first 3 weeks of PCT too. I would think that would totally crush his E2, but I'm no expert. Anyone else?

No it will lower e2 and increase test significantly but it will not crush it. check this thread for more info on aromasin. I posted some good info here.
Vibrant's first cycle starts

Originally Posted by Dark Saney

SET!!

Even as a joke this is not good to say. This guy has his cycle in order and you are saying something like this that could throw him off. Maybe someone that is not as knowledged might read this and think it is a good idea. I would never recommend this for a first cycle or any cycle really. Methyltest is very harsh on the body.

Originally Posted by ROID

This is going to be a good cycle bro.

You are the first person I have seen in a while that didn't go ahead and start a cycle and then 6 weeks in start asking questions.

You have your priorities straight my friend.

This is nice for a change LOL

Originally Posted by GMO

It really wouldn't make much of a difference either way. Personally, I would contiune the eod dosing until I hit my PCT...

I agree here ^ GMO always has good advice. Someone you can listen to that usually won't steer you wrong.

Thanks for the feedback guys!

Kind of off subject, anyone know the shelf-life of test C? All I have found online is bro-science saying up to several years.

Does it have a production date or expiration date on it? Or are you just asking in general? Usually 5 years until it starts to lose some potency.

Just asking in general. I haven't purchased my gear yet, so I just wanted to get a ballpark.

Originally Posted by TGB1987

Even as a joke this is not good to say. This guy has his cycle in order and you are saying something like this that could throw him off. Maybe someone that is not as knowledged might read this and think it is a good idea. I would never recommend this for a first cycle or any cycle really. Methyltest is very harsh on the body.

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sorry, I'm not debating, just confused as to why we would bump aromasin to 25 mg/day during pct if 12.5 EOD was keeping E2 at the appropriate level during cycle. I would think that we would need less aromasin to keep E2 in the right range during pct. example, I am running aromasin 12.5 EOD and my E2 is 27, what benefit would I get from upping the dose 4X during my pct? again, these are questions and not disagreements.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

sorry, I'm not debating, just confused as to why we would bump aromasin to 25 mg/day during pct if 12.5 EOD was keeping E2 at the appropriate level during cycle. I would think that we would need less aromasin to keep E2 in the right range during pct. example, I am running aromasin 12.5 EOD and my E2 is 27, what benefit would I get from upping the dose 4X during my pct? again, these are questions and not disagreements.

Because when the test is taken out of the picture, E2 levels will soar and the risk of gyno, fat gain and muscle loss increases exponentially.

Thanks for the answer, I assumed that as test levels dropped, so did E2.

Originally Posted by exphysiologist88

Thanks for the answer, I assumed that as test levels dropped, so did E2.

Aromasin has also raises test levels by about 60% and lowers SHBG by 20%. So, it is a great addition to Clomid or Nolva during PCT in terms of recovery.

I have noticed that there is a great deal of debate about using an AI during PCT, but it has always worked well for me.

The only objection I've heard is from Dr. Scally, he says that it doesn't cause problems with recovery, but just creates a clouded picture as to whether we are producing test again cause of the increase in test from the AI. As for me, I don't care about a cloudy picture, I just want to prevent gyno at any cost. I will definitely be running an AI during PCT.