First self inject!!!!!!!!!!

**pitbullguy0101** · 03-20-2011, 03:14 PM

What up fellas!!!Ok ijoined the club and kicked off my cycle!!! a couple questions tho! ok im taking 500 test e twice a week my question is i got the ml pins and 23 guage needles, is that too small? the test amps im using is rotex. I just had a hard time getting the oil into the pin, it wasnt smooth i had to pull a good bit and wait... so i pinned in the glute and it took like 20 secs of me pushing pretty hard to put it in. Im also wondering since im under the impression i have to get some filter pins should i go for a bigger size? Im wondering if anyones heard of something crazy happening to anyone that didnt use a filter with there amps. thanks all!

**Work IN Progress** · 03-20-2011, 03:18 PM

Thats why I always use a 22g. Im too impatient to wait. You could always draw with a bigger pin and then swap out when you pin if you dont like using the larger size.

**pitbullguy0101** · 03-20-2011, 03:52 PM

i thought i read somewhere 23 was good the size doesnt make a ton of diff to me, i just dont know what size to go with...its it a swift diff between 22 and 23 of should i go bigger.. i just dont want a bunch of trouble asperating and with air in the pin...i had a bunch of tiny bubbles in this one because only the bigones would push out

**D-Lats** · 03-20-2011, 04:01 PM

I always run 22g for oil bro just makes life easier. Ive messed with 23 and it takes so long with thick oil ive cramped up before causing me to make a big mess with the pin inside my body. For the tiny amount of discomfort you will feel with a 22 its worth it trust me!

**Vibrant** · 03-20-2011, 04:10 PM

I'm using 25g for my test prop cycle. I'm not having any trouble to push the oil out but I am using 18g to draw. I thought that the smaller gauge you use the less scar tissue you will have.

**D-Lats** · 03-20-2011, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Vibrant

I'm using 25g for my test prop cycle. I'm not having any trouble to push the oil out but I am using 18g to draw. I thought that the smaller gauge you use the less scar tissue you will have.

If you pt a 25 beside a 22 you can barely tell the difference. Your prop might be in a thinner oil. Every company uses different oil. So if you can manage a 25 that's great but as far as scaring it isn't really any different.

**TGB1987** · 03-20-2011, 04:35 PM

Pitbull here is a tip use a heat pad to warm up your vial or amp of test prior to injection. This will make it much easier to pull up into the syringe. I use a 25G to draw and inject when I have an amp. I use a 20 to draw if I am using a vial and switch to a 25G to inject. Heating the oil will help with the hormone being better dissolved into the oil as well and make for a smoother injection and could lessen soreness post injection. I do it everytime. Try it out.

**TGB1987** · 03-20-2011, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by D-Latsky

If you pt a 25 beside a 22 you can barely tell the difference. Your prop might be in a thinner oil. Every company uses different oil. So if you can manage a 25 that's great but as far as scaring it isn't really any different.

I usually agree with you but I don't agree on this one. I think there is a good bit of difference between the two. You should see my 20G needles lol I wouldn't want to put that in my muscle it would leave a hole lol.

**bknoxx** · 03-20-2011, 04:40 PM

25g is wht i use and i pin the quads 2x a week i use a 16g to draw from my amp which my bud bought and didnt look at the size lol so i use em to draw ( from tractor supply )
i always from my amp under hot water u just got to take ur time bro dont get excited push slow is the way to go lol

**ManInBlack** · 03-20-2011, 04:41 PM

Thats whats up pit!!! Good luck with your cycle.

**pitbullguy0101** · 03-20-2011, 04:45 PM

tgb do you use a filter every time you use an amp too?

**pitbullguy0101** · 03-20-2011, 04:48 PM

can i use the same pin to draw and inject if im usin an amp? reps all around

**TGB1987** · 03-20-2011, 04:50 PM

No I don't but it is a good idea. Just in case there is glass in the amp from the break. I use a pen cap to break off the top. It works well usually no glass. Using a 25G also helps prevent pulling glass into the syringe because it is small. You have to be very patient it takes a while to suck the oil into the syringe when using a 25G. Like Bknox said make sure you inject slowly or you could end having a very sore injection site. Slower the better just don't get crazy with that motto lol.

**cutright** · 03-20-2011, 04:52 PM

You wanna change needels when drawing from an amp. The theory behind it is your pin hits the bottom of the vial while drawing all the goods up and this could dull it so just swap it out for a new one bro^^^^^^ and congrats enjoy your shit growing

**Chino007** · 03-20-2011, 04:55 PM

Shit i like 23g one inch

**pitbullguy0101** · 03-20-2011, 04:56 PM

thanks guys!all great info! ITS ON

**TGB1987** · 03-20-2011, 04:59 PM

Cutright is correct about changing the pin after loading the syringe but if you are very careful it is not needed for an amp. I always change the needle after loading from a vial but I usually don't from an amp. Good luck keep us in the loop of how your cycle goes. Wish I was just starting up right now.

**irish_2003** · 03-20-2011, 05:07 PM

you guys must be into pain.....use bigger pins 20,22,23 gauge to draw and switch out the needle with a 25 to inject

**D-Lats** · 03-20-2011, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by TGB1987

I usually agree with you but I don't agree on this one. I think there is a good bit of difference between the two. You should see my 20G needles lol I wouldn't want to put that in my muscle it would leave a hole lol.

We are all different I guess bro. When I was a newb I actually injected with an 18g man o man what a mistake that hurt so bad! But ya the difference between a 25 and 20 are huge. I guess you just get comfortable and stick with it be it 22g or 25g.

**Hell** · 03-20-2011, 05:21 PM

18g to draw
23g to pin

**Vibrant** · 03-20-2011, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by D-Latsky

We are all different I guess bro. When I was a newb I actually injected with an 18g man o man what a mistake that hurt so bad! But ya the difference between a 25 and 20 are huge. I guess you just get comfortable and stick with it be it 22g or 25g.

Holy shit, that must have hurt. Those look like they are used to inject horses.

**james-27** · 03-20-2011, 05:43 PM

What up fellas!!!Ok ijoined the club and kicked off my cycle!!! a couple questions tho! ok im taking 500 test e twice a week my question is i got the ml pins and 23 guage needles, is that too small? the test amps im using is rotex. I just had a hard time getting the oil into the pin, it wasnt smooth i had to pull a good bit and wait... so i pinned in the glute and it took like 20 secs of me pushing pretty hard to put it in. Im also wondering since im under the impression i have to get some filter pins should i go for a bigger size? Im wondering if anyones heard of something crazy happening to anyone that didnt use a filter with there amps. thanks all

To start you dont sound to be very educated in this topic. You may want to rethink your cycle. JMHO.

Second I always use a 20g to load then a 25g to inject. Rushing, pushing hard, and injecting as fast as you can will only leave you sore like you wouldnt believe the next few days. I "always" aspirate first then inject slow and steady.

**TGB1987** · 03-20-2011, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by D-Latsky

We are all different I guess bro. When I was a newb I actually injected with an 18g man o man what a mistake that hurt so bad! But ya the difference between a 25 and 20 are huge. I guess you just get comfortable and stick with it be it 22g or 25g.

Yes I agree you do get used to what you use. That is insane using a 18G, that had to leave a nice hole lol.

**pitbullguy0101** · 03-20-2011, 06:25 PM

Dude i got the cycle pct down, im just making sure and getting input on pins, its pretty much what this site is for dude. i took it real slow pushing in but i thought i was pushing a bit hard but i counted to 20 and then still had some gear left to push. thanks everyone! i got what i needed!

**D-Lats** · 03-20-2011, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by TGB1987

Yes I agree you do get used to what you use. That is insane using a 18G, that had to leave a nice hole lol.

Buddy it looked like a biopsy! I had a hole in my delt for about 2 weeks. I was young and dumb and ran out of the 22s I normally used but I was drawing out with 18 so I just went ahead and used it. Felt like I was pounding a roofing nail in there!!! Live and learn

**Work IN Progress** · 03-20-2011, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by irish_2003

you guys must be into pain.....use bigger pins 20,22,23 gauge to draw and switch out the needle with a 25 to inject

Trust me, I would love to swap out the 22 for 25. I bought a whole box of 100 25 g pins that I havent touched but it just takes too long to push the oil into the muscle... Im gonna try heating it. Im sure that will help out a bunch.

**Chino007** · 03-20-2011, 06:55 PM

Love this site always get good info

**pitbullguy0101** · 03-20-2011, 07:45 PM

inject in the delts with an 18 ga

+reps for sure

Originally Posted by D-Latsky

We are all different I guess bro. When I was a newb I actually injected with an 18g man o man what a mistake that hurt so bad! But ya the difference between a 25 and 20 are huge. I guess you just get comfortable and stick with it be it 22g or 25g.

**keith1569** · 03-20-2011, 07:53 PM

shoot i went from 25 to 23 and thought that was wonderful..may have to give a 22g a shot now ha

**Ravager** · 03-21-2011, 08:31 AM

25's work fine for me. No rush. No hole

Welcome aboard PBG. Let the fun begin!

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