Thread: test e, tren cycle advice ?

I think aromasin would be a better choice than Dex

bro, first you are too young, but putting that aside. run masteron at least 500mg per week as a fininsher but it you got the money run it through out, hcg should be taken 250ius every4 days starting on the second week and through out cycle. ditch the noval, and run clomid for your pct. take .5mg arimidex ed. like workinprogress said use 12mg aromasin eod. but i would have some Femara on hand just in case your gyno.

Ok cool thanks for the advice about hcg will do that and for the arimidex and aromansin. masteron at 500mg ill spilt into two injections and run it as long as i can. so the rest of the cycle looks ok though ?

Originally Posted by Work IN Progress

I think aromasin would be a better choice than Dex

Why you like Aromasin more than Dex?

i would run the test 12 weeks but thats just me..to be on the same safe get parmi or bromo

If you can get Proviron, then get some. I always take 25-50mg ED throughout cycle. It has always had positive effects on my body during cycle.

I have allways run Tren Ace with Test Prop. With Test E you might have some of the nastier Tren sides before the test hits to counteract those effects. Just my 2 pennies and I havent run Test E with Tren but I have run a Tren only cycle (as a newbie) and that sucked. (Fina dick, night sweats, cardio gone, depression, lethergy, etc.) So now I am paranoid and I pre-load Test before a Tren cycle.

oh really i will pre load then, this is my first tren A cycle so am a little nervous about the sides start the tren maybe end of week two and run test for 12 weeks instead, do the masteron all 12 as well. I just hate the test prop site pain it is a bitch. i mean i could run prop no reason i cant, just me being a pussy. haha im gonna buy the store out at this rate haha, the test does should be enough for the tren right ? i really dont want a limp noodle for the cycle.


thanks for all the help guys been great so far.

Ive done well with 100mg Test Prop ED and 125mg Tren Ace EOD...It keeps the sides at bay. (but I have done a few test/tren cycles) you might want to try 75mg Test Prop ED and 75mg Tren Ace EOD. (the 2-1: test-tren ratio seems to work out well and at week 2 or 3 you can adjust to your needs) I know its a bitch but I like the short esters. (Esp with Tren - you dont want to get all fucked up with sides and then have weeks for it to stop)

You could start the tren around week 3 or 4 that way the test would be in full swing.

Originally Posted by chadman12

Hi guys,

I'm new to the forum and was wondering about some advice for my next cycle. I'm 22yr, weigh 185, 8%body fat and am 6ft or 183cm.

Test E 500 weeks 1-10

Tren A 50 ed weeks 1-6

primobolan 75 or mastron 50 week 6-10 Should i do the whole 10 ???

HCG 2500iu every 5 days on weeks 5,6,10,11,12

Nov weeks 11-14 taper 40-20-20

clomid weeks 14-17 again taper

now im extremely sensitive to gyno and pimple and all the shit stuff of roids so im not sure what i should run during my cycle i was thinking

Arimidex 1mg ed weeks 1-14
or proviron ed or both ?????

really unsure about this should i use something stronger because i am very sensitive to it.

Cheers guys

I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish with your cycle. Is it a cut? Because, if so, I would have to ask why you are cutting at 6' 185 8% BF? You are very thin to begin with. What are your goals with this cycle?

Why are any of you giving this guy advice besides, you're too young?

Do you really think he's maxed out his natural growth potential at 22 years old?

At the very least he is taking more compounds than he should be at that age. He should not need to take more than 1 or 2 conpounds for results. I agree with CT that his stats say that he shouldn't of been using AAS based on the progress he has made naturally. Still had room to grow. Yet Many guys dont' wait until they are even 22 though, so I am not really against someone using AAS at 22 if they are well prepared and know the risks. Maybe I feel this way because I started when I was 23.

Originally Posted by TGB1987

At the very least he is taking more compounds than he should be at that age. He should not need to take more than 1 or 2 conpounds for results. I agree with CT that his stats say that he shouldn't of been using AAS based on the progress he has made naturally. Still had room to grow. Yet Many guys dont' wait until they are even 22 though, so I am not really against someone using AAS at 22 if they are well prepared and know the risks. Maybe I feel this way because I started when I was 23.

Good call if hes gonna do it hes gonna do it so we might aswell set him on the right track. I think that he might be trying to do too much to start with. 10 weeks of tesn e with a four week run of masteron will work wonders especially at 8% if that is infact accurate. Run your 250 iu hcg 2x week and proviron 25mg ed with your ai and follow with your clomid for pct and I think the results would be very satisfactory IMO

Originally Posted by D-Latsky

Good call if hes gonna do it hes gonna do it so we might aswell set him on the right track. I think that he might be trying to do too much to start with. 10 weeks of tesn e with a four week run of masteron will work wonders especially at 8% if that is infact accurate. Run your 250 iu hcg 2x week and proviron 25mg ed with your ai and follow with your clomid for pct and I think the results would be very satisfactory IMO

It's a catch 22. You want to help so nobody gets hurt, I get that but on the other hand he's no where near ready for gear at 22. It's impossible to be genetically maxed out at that age, barring there are no health issues.

It's not an easy situation to be in let alone to render an opinion or advice upon.

Originally Posted by CT

It's a catch 22. You want to help so nobody gets hurt, I get that but on the other hand he's no where near ready for gear at 22. It's impossible to be genetically maxed out at that age, barring there are no health issues.

It's not an easy situation to be in let alone to render an opinion or advice upon.

I hear you loud and clear CT I wouldnt go against your word and I agree that his potential is no where near maxed but I would be a hypocrite if I told him that as I did the same thing at his age the allure of aas is very powerful and there's no arguing that.

Originally Posted by D-Latsky

I hear you loud and clear CT I wouldnt go against your word and I agree that his potential is no where near maxed but I would be a hypocrite if I told him that as I did the same thing at his age the allure of aas is very powerful and there's no arguing that.

Yes it is.

I can't say anything cause let's face it, that's when I started and many others did too. Sure I COULD have trained natty a few more years and made gains but i wouldn't take back any minute of my cycle. If we cruise around here trying to live by "Do as I say, not as I do", it just won't work.

With that being said, I still think it's a good idea to tell some of the kids that the cycles they are planning are too advanced for them. But refusing to help because someone is too young in your opinion is not being productive at all.

good luck bro and listen to these guys! i know your not ready for aas but when i was 17-20 was using every prohorme with no clue about ANYTHING else afterwords! just listen to tgb1987 he knows his shit so does sloppy j and d-latsky...your in good hands and wether you listen or not well.......good luck bro

All you need is the test. I'm 21 and on 500mg/week I've gained 35 lbs of bodyweight and I'm up 90 lbs and climbing on bench. Leave some stuff to play around with when you can't get these kinds of gains on test alone.

That's all I'm gonna say.

Ya bro as others have said. Use the kiss method if your set on doing a cycle. 500mg of test e a week for about 10 to 14 weeks. Add some hcg if u feel necessary and run clomid 50/50/25/25 for your pct. Some may disagree with me but that should work well for ya in the pct department.

i have done other cycles but im an athlete and am trying to put on lean muscle reasonable quickly. i have taken time off sport through injury and personal reasons and want to build during while im out and not playing or training. but i appriciate the advie from everyone. after aall thats why im here. ok so would

500 test e 10 weeks
75mg eod tren A for 5 weeks
masteron for last five weeks
with 250iu hcg
adex .5 ed10 weeks
arom 12mg eod

and clomid for pct

would that be better or you guys saying ditch the tren ?

im here for help im not going to just ignore everyone advice ya know but at the same time like you guys said i am going to cycle but will listen to everything you have to say and use it best i can.

That layout looks good but if you haven't used tren be careful as it's very powerful physically and mentally so if shit gets out of control don't be afraid to ditch it. Or you could switch around the mast and tren and run it at the end to really harden things up these are just option to think about

Learn to titrate your dose. You should be able to start a cycle at a reasonable dose that limits sides and go from there. The overriding actions one can use to limit these side effects are moderation, observation, correlation and corrective action. Moderation means starting out with a reasonable dose of a limited number of compounds, like two. Observation means observe the positive and negative effects these limited number of compounds have on health and well being. Correlation means being able to correlate the positive and negative effects to their cause i.e. is it the drug or something else that has changed. Corrective action means changing the dose or dropping the drug if the effect is correlated with the drug. If there are no side effects and very little positive effects it may be necessary to increase the dose.

I, too considered his age, but I decided not to reference it b/c I started aas younger than this guy - and have not experienced any neagtive/adverse results. I don't like being an Al Gore - do as I say not as I do - type of person. Obviously it would be best for the OP to train natty a few more years prior to using aas but in some cases, a guy in his young 20s is more capable of properly handling ass than some asshole in his 30s. Average age for maxing out growth potential in males is 24yoa so I go with 24 as a rule of thumb. The OP seems to have laid out a cycle that many dumbfucks older than him couldn't plan so I give him kudos for that; save for too many compounds for a first timer and too high dose of Adex listed. I"m willing to bet if he put this much time into looking up those different compounds he's going to run a cycle anyway. If he's going to run a cycle at 22yoa and a first timer I"d advise to keep it simple such as Test w/ maybe a Dbol kicker. Opinions vary.

I think you're overdoing it in the AI department. That is, 0.5mg Adex ED and 12.5mg Aromasin EOD is too much AI. Stick with one or the other during the cycle.

Originally Posted by chadman12

i have done other cycles but im an athlete and am trying to put on lean muscle reasonable quickly. i have taken time off sport through injury and personal reasons and want to build during while im out and not playing or training. but i appriciate the advie from everyone. after aall thats why im here. ok so would

500 test e 10 weeks
75mg eod tren A for 5 weeks
masteron for last five weeks
with 250iu hcg
adex .5 ed10 weeks
arom 12mg eod

and clomid for pct

would that be better or you guys saying ditch the tren ?

im here for help im not going to just ignore everyone advice ya know but at the same time like you guys said i am going to cycle but will listen to everything you have to say and use it best i can.

Originally Posted by BigBird

I, too considered his age, but I decided not to reference it b/c I started aas younger than this guy - and have not experienced any neagtive/adverse results. I don't like being an Al Gore - do as I say not as I do - type of person. Obviously it would be best for the OP to train natty a few more years prior to using aas but in some cases, a guy in his young 20s is more capable of properly handling ass than some asshole in his 30s. Average age for maxing out growth potential in males is 24yoa so I go with 24 as a rule of thumb. The OP seems to have laid out a cycle that many dumbfucks older than him couldn't plan so I give him kudos for that; save for too many compounds for a first timer and too high dose of Adex listed. I"m willing to bet if he put this much time into looking up those different compounds he's going to run a cycle anyway. If he's going to run a cycle at 22yoa and a first timer I"d advise to keep it simple such as Test w/ maybe a Dbol kicker. Opinions vary.

This is obviously the way Sloppy J sees me with his post, but I guess that just might be him being self labeled as addicted to being a di*khead?

The point I'm trying to make is a simple one. Why would you cycle when your able to gain naturally? Some kids at age 18-23 aren't even done growing, starting an aas cycle has the potential to stunt growth.

I personally didn't even start AAS until I was over 30.

I understand that most want results faster than possible and yes - AAS will provide that, but I PERSONALLY don't feel comfortable giving advice to someone who 1. Hasn't done any homework and just throws something up and asks "Hey Bro's how does this look?" You look at it and it's a train wreck waiting to happen. 2. States I have an A/I on hand - just in case. NO you use it so the situation doesn't even proceed to JUST IN CASE. 3. Has no clue about how to diet and/or is too fat to begin with.

The age thing is debatable and yes if someone is going to do it no matter what advice is received here (and 99.9% of them do, and in a month or so they post up a thread like "Help I'm growing boobs, what happened" you have to take a step back and re-evaluate the idea of giving advice when someone just asks for it.

I personally would rather be labeled a dick instead of having to live with the guilt of ruining a kids hormone panel and or health. If HE wants to do it on his own with homework done, that's another story.

Being a MOD (for whatever reason) seems to be an automatic person of trust on any board for a new member, which shouldn't be nor post count or reps. There are several other boards around with some of the worst advice coming from, you guessed it.......the MODS themselves. One board in particular.

As a MOD or anyone who has a lot of experience, the number one goal of giving advice to others is to be sure it is done in the safest way possible, no matter what.

Originally Posted by CT

This is obviously the way Sloppy J sees me with his post, but I guess that just might be him being self labeled as addicted to being a di*khead?

The point I'm trying to make is a simple one. Why would you cycle when your able to gain naturally? Some kids at age 18-23 aren't even done growing, starting an aas cycle has the potential to stunt growth.

I personally didn't even start AAS until I was over 30.

I understand that most want results faster than possible and yes - AAS will provide that, but I PERSONALLY don't feel comfortable giving advice to someone who 1. Hasn't done any homework and just throws something up and asks "Hey Bro's how does this look?" You look at it and it's a train wreck waiting to happen. 2. States I have an A/I on hand - just in case. NO you use it so the situation doesn't even proceed to JUST IN CASE. 3. Has no clue about how to diet and/or is too fat to begin with.

The age thing is debatable and yes if someone is going to do it no matter what advice is received here (and 99.9% of them do, and in a month or so they post up a thread like "Help I'm growing boobs, what happened" you have to take a step back and re-evaluate the idea of giving advice when someone just asks for it.

I personally would rather be labeled a dick instead of having to live with the guilt of ruining a kids hormone panel and or health. If HE wants to do it on his own with homework done, that's another story.

Being a MOD (for whatever reason) seems to be an automatic person of trust on any board for a new member, which shouldn't be nor post count or reps. There are several other boards around with some of the worst advice coming from, you guessed it.......the MODS themselves. One board in particular.

As a MOD or anyone who has a lot of experience, the number one goal of giving advice to others is to be sure it is done in the safest way possible, no matter what.

So with that said, don't you think the "Safest" possible outcome in this situation is to help the kid with a resonable cycle rather than let him go crazy with many different compounds?

Cause if you read his posts, it's obvious he's going to do it.